T or no T?

JRutledge · #1 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 12, 2013, 08:28pm

I am not a big fan of "And 1" either, but I just ignore it. It just makes me not call a foul especially when there is hardly any contact or the contact is not a foul.

That being said, unless the coach was jumping up and down or going crazy with his arms, I probably would need a little more to call a T.

I also would not say anything about "That is intentional this year." The problem with the POE is they did not change the rule. Just tell the coach you had an intentional foul and it was for the contact above the shoulders and then it will be a lesser debate IMO. I think you want to tell him it was your judgement instead of getting into it being a rules change (because it actually is not a rules change, whether we like it or not).

I am only going to side with the evaluator if he saw the play or reaction. You are going to get oppositions to plays like that, just go explain it to them quietly and move on. Now if the coach cursed or got personal in that exchange then OK, I can go along with that. But it does not sound like anything the coach did was over the top. You have to sometimes learn that they will complain and what is acceptable by most.

Peace

Rooster · #2 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 12, 2013, 08:39pm

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I also would not say anything about "That is intentional this year." The problem with the POE is they did not change the rule.

Great point.

ODog · #3 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:06pm

I think it'd be all right if you said, "It's a point of emphasis this year." So that way, when he goes *****ing to one of his friends on your board and quotes you on that -- as long as your fellow member isn't a complete hack/apologist -- he can say, "Well he IS right about that, Leroy."

I ALWAYS mention the contact-above-the-shoulder thing during the captains' meeting. Doesn't do much for the coaches or most of the players, but that's all you've got ... I think.

JRutledge · #4 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:44pm

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I ALWAYS mention the contact-above-the-shoulder thing during the captains' meeting. Doesn't do much for the coaches or most of the players, but that's all you've got ... I think.

I think the more you mention stuff, the more they want you to call something that might not be there. Why bring that to their attention. I would only say something that your area (and that could be the case here) is making sure everyone is enforcing and mostly administrative issues that have nothing to do with actual play calling. It would be like saying, "We are going to address handchecking" and the first act that looks like handchecking you are going to be seen as not doing what you suggested.

Not saying I am right, I just think you open yourself up the more you talk in that meeting.

Peace

Adam · #5 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:54pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think the more you mention stuff, the more they want you to call something that might not be there. Why bring that to their attention. I would only say something that your area (and that could be the case here) is making sure everyone is enforcing and mostly administrative issues that have nothing to do with actual play calling. It would be like saying, "We are going to address handchecking" and the first act that looks like handchecking you are going to be seen as not doing what you suggested.

Not saying I am right, I just think you open yourself up the more you talk in that meeting.

Peace

Agreed.

I'm not a fan of a coach making the "you've gotta help him" comment to one official. That's a personal dig, and I have no problem with the T. He doesn't need to vent when the call is that clear and correct.

Rich · #6 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:06pm

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Agreed.

I'm not a fan of a coach making the "you've gotta help him" comment to one official. That's a personal dig, and I have no problem with the T. He doesn't need to vent when the call is that clear and correct.

Yup.

Raymond · #7 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:29pm

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Originally Posted by Adam

Agreed.

I'm not a fan of a coach making the "you've gotta help him" comment to one official. That's a personal dig, and I have no problem with the T. He doesn't need to vent when the call is that clear and correct.

I have no problem with that T either, especially within the context of what had been said earlier. That particular comment is a pet peeve of mine.

DRJ1960 · #8 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 12, 2013, 11:01pm

Good "T"

bainsey · #9 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 13, 2013, 02:58am

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Originally Posted by Adam

I'm not a fan of a coach making the "you've gotta help him" comment to one official. That's a personal dig, and I have no problem with the T. He doesn't need to vent when the call is that clear and correct.

+1

If this were the first time the coach crossed the line, I'd probably give a "not again," but after repeated issues, starting with pre-game, I'd cite ABS.

FWIW, there's still some ignorance about the elbow above the shoulders POE. There was such a foul in tonight's UMaine/UAlbany game, and the officials went to review the video of the foul. When the replay aired, the color commentator boldly stated, "That's not more than a foul. He (the defender) has to give him SOME room, doesn't he?" (Argh!) Very quickly, you could hear someone telling the announcing crew F1 is required for such fouls.

JRutledge · #10 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:01am

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Originally Posted by bainsey

+1

If this were the first time the coach crossed the line, I'd probably give a "not again," but after repeated issues, starting with pre-game, I'd cite ABS.

FWIW, there's still some ignorance about the elbow above the shoulders POE. There was such a foul in tonight's UMaine/UAlbany game, and the officials went to review the video of the foul. When the replay aired, the color commentator boldly stated, "That's not more than a foul. He (the defender) has to give him SOME room, doesn't he?" (Argh!) Very quickly, you could hear someone telling the announcing crew F1 is required for such fouls.

Yes there is, but college actually changed their rules to reflect what the NF wants to imply should be called. The NF never changed their rule they gave an interpretation.

Peace

BktBallRef · #11 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:00pm

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Originally Posted by ODog

I ALWAYS mention the contact-above-the-shoulder thing during the captains' meeting. Doesn't do much for the coaches or most of the players, but that's all you've got ... I think.

Why?

Rich · #12 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:04pm

When the coach asked if you were a varsity official, I would've said "this isn't a varsity game."

Rooster · #13 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:19pm

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When the coach asked if you were a varsity official, I would've said "this isn't a varsity game."

What I WANTED to say was "Are you a varsity coach?" The swelling is just now starting to go down from where I bit my lip...

Mregor · #14 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:08am

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When the coach asked if you were a varsity official, I would've said "this isn't a varsity game."

How about, "Are you a varsity coach?"

ODog · #15 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:20pm

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Why?

So if it happens and is called the way the POE suggests, fewer people can be beside themselves.