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Old Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:16am
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How loud is the horn at Vandy? Can the officials hear it well with the crowd noise?

I'm not making excuses for them. Quite frankly, it's insane that this isn't reviewable. The tool is there - let them use it.
You could make that same case in most situations. I know even in small college gyms those horns are not that loud.

I also have no problem with these being not being reviewable because you could do that every single time up the court. Sometimes we need to just officiate and video is not going to solve everything. I do not even see anything that makes me feel this was a slam dunk either way.

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Old Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:19am
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You could make that same case in most situations. I know even in small college gyms those horns are not that loud.

I also have no problem with these being not being reviewable because you could do that every single time up the court. Sometimes we need to just officiate and video is not going to solve everything. I do not even see anything that makes me feel this was a slam dunk either way.

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How often do we have close shot clock violations in a typical college game? I only work a handful of college games a season, but we have one or two, at most. It's not a bad idea to try to review this as the video is available.
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Old Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:41am
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How often do we have close shot clock violations in a typical college game? I only work a handful of college games a season, but we have one or two, at most. It's not a bad idea to try to review this as the video is available.
If you made the rule changed you would have a request for a review every single possession this was an issue or it was close. Just like you would they go overboard for reviews for elbows now. And all you hear is the media complain about how many times those are reviewed. You really want to add one of the more common situations to be reviewed? Just like there are limits on what is reviewed in football, this is just silly to have reviews for everything like this.

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Old Fri Jan 11, 2013, 02:33am
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I do not even see anything that makes me feel this was a slam dunk either way.
Even after watching the tape? I'd bet my schedule this is graded an IC. And correctly so.
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Old Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:45am
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Even after watching the tape? I'd bet my schedule this is graded an IC. And correctly so.
So? Just becasue it's wrong doesn't mean it should be reviewable. There a probably a dozen or more "IC"s in a game -- the only difference is that at the end of a game a team doesn't have a chance to "recover" from it. But, they've had plenty of time to make enough plays so it doesn't matter. If they don't do either, that's the breaks.

I'm with Jeff that there are too many reviews.

But, I'd expect there to be more.
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Old Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:39am
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Old Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:45am
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what about the C

Hey Guys,

First post, so go easy.

Anybody think the center rotates out of this play? Maybe he thought the lead was going to rotate, but the C goes top side and by the end of the play they've got to T's. Not sure if this contributes to the "no call incorrect", but I don't think it helps. Thoughts?
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Old Fri Jan 11, 2013, 10:04am
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Hey Guys,

First post, so go easy.

Anybody think the center rotates out of this play? Maybe he thought the lead was going to rotate, but the C goes top side and by the end of the play they've got to T's. Not sure if this contributes to the "no call incorrect", but I don't think it helps. Thoughts?
I go back to my earlier statement. This is NOT an incorrect call if you only use the audio.
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Oddly enough, I don't speakers atm. So I can't watch the Deadspin account that Rich mentioned earlier.

BUT... if it's true that the SC reads 0 and the horn hasn't gone off, then it's automatically a CC.
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Old Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:43am
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This is not fair to the officials. You have a situation that is not reviewable so the officials have to use their ears to judge. He appears to release the shot just before the horn which is the only way the officials can judge. Then the rest of the world gets to criticize the officials but not taking into account the fact that the horn and the shot clock are not synchronized. In this world of HD/multiple replays ....., give the officials the tools to make the proper decision.
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So? Just becasue it's wrong doesn't mean it should be reviewable. There a probably a dozen or more "IC"s in a game -- the only difference is that at the end of a game a team doesn't have a chance to "recover" from it. But, they've had plenty of time to make enough plays so it doesn't matter. If they don't do either, that's the breaks.

I'm with Jeff that there are too many reviews.

But, I'd expect there to be more.
Not saying it should be reviewable. Saying it's fairly slam-dunkish as a wrong call.
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Old Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:39am
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Not saying it should be reviewable. Saying it's fairly slam-dunkish as a wrong call.
Is it?

THE HORN goes off AFTER the shot leaves the hand. It seems pretty clear from the video.

The rule is this:

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Art. 9. Sound the shot-clock horn at the expiration of the shot-clock period. This shot-clock horn shall not stop play unless recognized by an official’s whistle. When the shot clock indicates zeros but the shot-clock horn has not sounded, the shot-clock time has not expired.
If the horn hasn't gone off, it's not a violation.
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Old Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:56am
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So I guess we now need tenths on the shot clock!
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Old Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:04pm
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So I guess we now need tenths on the shot clock!
I've seen it before, I think.
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THE HORN goes off AFTER the shot leaves the hand. It seems pretty clear from the video.
The rule is this: If the horn hasn't gone off, it's not a violation.
I stand corrected.
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