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CNJref Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:37pm

Kentucky vs Vandy
 
Hello all,
I decided to finally make an account, but did anyone happen to catch the end of this game. Kentucky player released ball for the shot around a full second after shot clock expired. I believe the ref said to the announcers its not reviewable. Why would that be?

JetMetFan Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:45pm

It's built into the rule. You can't go to the monitor to determine whether a shot was released before the shot-clock expired unless there are zeroes on the game clock.

JRutledge Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:50pm

It is not a reviewable situation under the rules, it is that simple. You can review a shot at the end of the half, but not to see if a shot was off before the shot clock expired.

Peace

Rich Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:56pm

Anyone else think this is possibly a result of Vandy being different with the location of their shot clocks?

JRutledge Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 871505)
Anyone else think this is possibly a result of Vandy being different with the location of their shot clocks?

Maybe I did not notice, but where are their shot clocks?

Peace

APG Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:58pm

In the NBA this would be a reviewable play. The would review the shot at the next timeout or period break. And if the last mandatory timeout has been taken, they'll take a look at the first clock stoppage.

Rich Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 871506)
Maybe I did not notice, but where are their shot clocks?

Peace

UK-Vandy Refs Blow Shot Clock Violation Call, Hand Game To Kentucky, Baffle And Confuse A Senile-Sounding Bob Knight

The benches and coaching boxes are on the end lines, too.

dahoopref Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:00am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 871505)
Anyone else think this is possibly a result of Vandy being different with the location of their shot clocks?

Agree. It's a tough look for the C to view the shooter and shot clock from where it is at. I guess you would go by horn in which case, the play was even closer.

Rich Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:03am

I went to an SEC school for grad school and it baffles me that nobody ever forced Vandy to put things in the proper places.

JRutledge Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by dahoopref (Post 871511)
Agree. It's a tough look for the C to view the shooter and shot clock from where it is at. I guess you would go by horn in which case, the play was even closer.

All officials have and can call a shot clock violation for the record. So this is not just a C call and if anyone hears the shot clock horn they can make this call. I agree the shot clock location does not help if you could get a visual, but we do not make the call based solely on the visual part, but the audio part.

Peace

Rich Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:06am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 871515)
All officials have and can call a shot clock violation for the record. So this is not just a C call and if anyone hears the shot clock horn they can make this call. I agree the shot clock location does not help if you could get a visual, but we do not make the call based solely on the visual part, but the audio part.

Peace

How loud is the horn at Vandy? Can the officials hear it well with the crowd noise?

I'm not making excuses for them. Quite frankly, it's insane that this isn't reviewable. The tool is there - let them use it.

JugglingReferee Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:07am

Red 0 behind the basket. Ball still in hands.

http://i.imgur.com/04A0B.png

Rich Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:07am

I just watched it again. Sounds on the telecast like the horn was after the shot left the hand. Could be the distance the sound had to travel, I guess.

Rich Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:12am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 871517)
Red 0 behind the basket. Ball still in hands.

http://i.imgur.com/04A0B.png

Watch the Deadspin feed. Listen for the horn.

JRutledge Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:16am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 871516)
How loud is the horn at Vandy? Can the officials hear it well with the crowd noise?

I'm not making excuses for them. Quite frankly, it's insane that this isn't reviewable. The tool is there - let them use it.

You could make that same case in most situations. I know even in small college gyms those horns are not that loud.

I also have no problem with these being not being reviewable because you could do that every single time up the court. Sometimes we need to just officiate and video is not going to solve everything. I do not even see anything that makes me feel this was a slam dunk either way.

Peace


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