Kentucky vs Vandy

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

Agree. It's a tough look for the C to view the shooter and shot clock from where it is at. I guess you would go by horn in which case, the play was even closer.

All officials have and can call a shot clock violation for the record. So this is not just a C call and if anyone hears the shot clock horn they can make this call. I agree the shot clock location does not help if you could get a visual, but we do not make the call based solely on the visual part, but the audio part.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

All officials have and can call a shot clock violation for the record. So this is not just a C call and if anyone hears the shot clock horn they can make this call. I agree the shot clock location does not help if you could get a visual, but we do not make the call based solely on the visual part, but the audio part.

Peace

How loud is the horn at Vandy? Can the officials hear it well with the crowd noise?

I'm not making excuses for them. Quite frankly, it's insane that this isn't reviewable. The tool is there - let them use it.

[Rich]

I just watched it again. Sounds on the telecast like the horn was after the shot left the hand. Could be the distance the sound had to travel, I guess.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

How loud is the horn at Vandy? Can the officials hear it well with the crowd noise?

I'm not making excuses for them. Quite frankly, it's insane that this isn't reviewable. The tool is there - let them use it.

You could make that same case in most situations. I know even in small college gyms those horns are not that loud.

I also have no problem with these being not being reviewable because you could do that every single time up the court. Sometimes we need to just officiate and video is not going to solve everything. I do not even see anything that makes me feel this was a slam dunk either way.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You could make that same case in most situations. I know even in small college gyms those horns are not that loud.

I also have no problem with these being not being reviewable because you could do that every single time up the court. Sometimes we need to just officiate and video is not going to solve everything. I do not even see anything that makes me feel this was a slam dunk either way.

Peace

How often do we have close shot clock violations in a typical college game? I only work a handful of college games a season, but we have one or two, at most. It's not a bad idea to try to review this as the video is available.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

How often do we have close shot clock violations in a typical college game? I only work a handful of college games a season, but we have one or two, at most. It's not a bad idea to try to review this as the video is available.

If you made the rule changed you would have a request for a review every single possession this was an issue or it was close. Just like you would they go overboard for reviews for elbows now. And all you hear is the media complain about how many times those are reviewed. You really want to add one of the more common situations to be reviewed? Just like there are limits on what is reviewed in football, this is just silly to have reviews for everything like this.

Peace

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not even see anything that makes me feel this was a slam dunk either way.

Even after watching the tape? I'd bet my schedule this is graded an IC. And correctly so.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

Even after watching the tape? I'd bet my schedule this is graded an IC. And correctly so.

So? Just becasue it's wrong doesn't mean it should be reviewable. There a probably a dozen or more "IC"s in a game -- the only difference is that at the end of a game a team doesn't have a chance to "recover" from it. But, they've had plenty of time to make enough plays so it doesn't matter. If they don't do either, that's the breaks.

I'm with Jeff that there are too many reviews.

But, I'd expect there to be more.

[letemplay]

Knight is sure in the dark. Wonder if Teddy V has sent him a nice tweet

[STFD]

Hey Guys,

First post, so go easy.

Anybody think the center rotates out of this play? Maybe he thought the lead was going to rotate, but the C goes top side and by the end of the play they've got to T's. Not sure if this contributes to the "no call incorrect", but I don't think it helps. Thoughts?

[Jay R]

This is not fair to the officials. You have a situation that is not reviewable so the officials have to use their ears to judge. He appears to release the shot just before the horn which is the only way the officials can judge. Then the rest of the world gets to criticize the officials but not taking into account the fact that the horn and the shot clock are not synchronized. In this world of HD/multiple replays ....., give the officials the tools to make the proper decision.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

So? Just becasue it's wrong doesn't mean it should be reviewable. There a probably a dozen or more "IC"s in a game -- the only difference is that at the end of a game a team doesn't have a chance to "recover" from it. But, they've had plenty of time to make enough plays so it doesn't matter. If they don't do either, that's the breaks.

I'm with Jeff that there are too many reviews.

But, I'd expect there to be more.

Not saying it should be reviewable. Saying it's fairly slam-dunkish as a wrong call.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

Not saying it should be reviewable. Saying it's fairly slam-dunkish as a wrong call.

Is it?

THE HORN goes off AFTER the shot leaves the hand. It seems pretty clear from the video.

The rule is this:

Art. 9. Sound the shot-clock horn at the expiration of the shot-clock period. This shot-clock horn shall not stop play unless recognized by an official’s whistle. When the shot clock indicates zeros but the shot-clock horn has not sounded, the shot-clock time has not expired.

If the horn hasn't gone off, it's not a violation.

[APG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You could make that same case in most situations. I know even in small college gyms those horns are not that loud.

I also have no problem with these being not being reviewable because you could do that every single time up the court. Sometimes we need to just officiate and video is not going to solve everything. I do not even see anything that makes me feel this was a slam dunk either way.

Peace

Under NBA rules, the officials are allowed to review whether or not a shot clock violation has occurred, and this situation doesn't come up too often, so I don't believe it would happen every single time up the court.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by APG

Under NBA rules, the officials are allowed to review whether or not a shot clock violation has occurred, and this situation doesn't come up too often, so I don't believe it would happen every single time up the court.

They review a lot more in the NCAA level than they do in the NBA as far as I can tell. Every elbow sitaution or flagrant situation they review them. I think all this would happen more with more official and more conference supervisors and different philsophies out there. The NBA staff is very small in comparison so they are on more on one page. And the NBA can control how their games are broadcast on TV where NCAA will have all kinds of standards. We already have the Pac 12 cannot use HD video courtside. I think that is going to be all over the place if you allow that to be reviewed.

Peace