Kentucky vs Vandy

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by jritchie

Looks like to me the clock showed "0" but the horn goes off a second later, which would mean to me that since the shot clock doesn't show tenths of a second, it's showing zero, but you still have 0.9 0.8 ...blah blah....until you actually get to 0.0 and have the horn. So even though the big red 0 was on the board i don't think you have a violation until you get the horn, which then the ball was out of his hands. Just my thoughts.

Without seeing the play, this is what could have happened. If A1 is called for a kick ball and the shot clock reads 15, what should the officials do?

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

So? Just becasue it's wrong doesn't mean it should be reviewable. There a probably a dozen or more "IC"s in a game -- the only difference is that at the end of a game a team doesn't have a chance to "recover" from it. But, they've had plenty of time to make enough plays so it doesn't matter. If they don't do either, that's the breaks.

I'm with Jeff that there are too many reviews.

But, I'd expect there to be more.

Not saying it should be reviewable. Saying it's fairly slam-dunkish as a wrong call.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by tomegun

If A1 is called for a kick ball and the shot clock reads 15, what should the officials do?

Put the ball in play with a throw-in to B nearest the spot of the violation.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

Not saying it should be reviewable. Saying it's fairly slam-dunkish as a wrong call.

Is it?

THE HORN goes off AFTER the shot leaves the hand. It seems pretty clear from the video.

The rule is this:

Art. 9. Sound the shot-clock horn at the expiration of the shot-clock period. This shot-clock horn shall not stop play unless recognized by an official’s whistle. When the shot clock indicates zeros but the shot-clock horn has not sounded, the shot-clock time has not expired.

If the horn hasn't gone off, it's not a violation.

[jritchie]

So I guess we now need tenths on the shot clock!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jritchie

So I guess we now need tenths on the shot clock!

I've seen it before, I think.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

Put the ball in play with a throw-in to B nearest the spot of the violation.

I know someone who says have the table "reset" the shot clock to 15 and then give the ball to B for a throw-in. This gentleman is from the DC area and knows at least the college and high school rule books scripture, verse and page. He may know the NBA rule book like that too.

If the clock reads 14 in this situation and it is reset, is it the same as if the clock reads 15 and nothing is done? Could those two situations be almost 1 second (.9) difference?

[Texref]

Originally Posted by Rich

I've seen it before, I think.

NBA has it this year.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by Rich

THE HORN goes off AFTER the shot leaves the hand. It seems pretty clear from the video.
The rule is this: If the horn hasn't gone off, it's not a violation.

I stand corrected.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by tomegun

If the clock reads 14 in this situation and it is reset, is it the same as if the clock reads 15 and nothing is done? Could those two situations be almost 1 second (.9) difference?

If you set it to 15, it's 15.

If it shows 15 is could be anwhere from 14.000000001 to 15.999999999 depending on the clock.

Most game clocks (well, those without tenths) are the latter (so the horn sounds 1 second after it shows 0); most shot clocks are the former (so the horn sounds as soon as it shows 0).

Next time you get a chance, try this. Set both clocks (say, 8:00 and 30). Start and stop almost immediately. Note that one has likley changed and one hasn't.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If you set it to 15, it's 15.

If it shows 15 is could be anwhere from 14.000000001 to 15.999999999 depending on the clock.

Most game clocks (well, those without tenths) are the latter (so the horn sounds 1 second after it shows 0); most shot clocks are the former (so the horn sounds as soon as it shows 0).

Next time you get a chance, try this. Set both clocks (say, 8:00 and 30). Start and stop almost immediately. Note that one has likley changed and one hasn't.

And it sounds as though Vandy's clock may be the older style where 0 really means 0 to 0.99999999.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If you set it to 15, it's 15.

If it shows 15 is could be anwhere from 14.000000001 to 15.999999999 depending on the clock.

Most game clocks (well, those without tenths) are the latter (so the horn sounds 1 second after it shows 0); most shot clocks are the former (so the horn sounds as soon as it shows 0).

Next time you get a chance, try this. Set both clocks (say, 8:00 and 30). Start and stop almost immediately. Note that one has likley changed and one hasn't.

I think that is why this gentleman thinks the clock should be "reset" to 15.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Texref

NBA has it this year.

The NBA added tenths of a second to the shot clock when under 5 seconds last year....but in the NBA, if the shot clock had 0 on it, it's a violation period...not when the horn sounds.