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[maven]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

But I don't understand how a serious official would not then FIRST go to the rule and case books himself before coming to this site to ask other officials what the rule is.

Really? It's so much easier to ask you than to pore through the dang books!

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by maven

Really? It's so much easier to ask you than to pore through the dang books!

Your tag line says it best "quality is a habit."

Then next part is developing good habits and eliminating bad habits. The good habit should be to look it up after the game and relay that information to the partner. Finding where the information is located is a good habit, rather than to rely on the work and word of others.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind helping newer officials, but they have to help themselves first.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Your tag line says it best "quality is a habit."

Then next part is developing good habits and eliminating bad habits. The good habit should be to look it up after the game and relay that information to the partner. Finding where the information is located is a good habit, rather than to rely on the work and word of others.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind helping newer officials, but they have to help themselves first.

"You'll learn it better if you look it up yourself and you'll likely find something else you didn't know."

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

"You'll learn it better if you look it up yourself and you'll likely find something else you didn't know."

Well said, Thanks Bob!

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

"You'll learn it better if you look it up yourself and you'll likely find something else you didn't know."

I'll agree with this Bob.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by maven

It's so much easier to ask you than to pore through the dang books!

And this is the twenty-first century. In my opinion, this Forum is as much of a research tool as a paper, and ink, rulebook, and casebook. We have many tools in our "officials tool belt", rulebook, casebook, mechanics manual, digital versions of the three previously mentioned tools, DVD's of plays, colleagues on our local board, interpreters on our local boards, camps, local board websites, and the Forum. The Forum just happens to be one of those tools, one that wasn't available to us twenty years ago. It's better to "get straight" on the rules here on Al Gore's internet, then to not ever "get straight" on the rules. I know that other Forum members disagree with me, but that's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... It's better to "get straight" on the rules here on Al Gore's internet, then to not ever "get straight" on the rules. I know that other Forum members disagree with me, but that's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

It's better to look the rule up yourself and THEN come here and say "I read 9.1.1 but I'm still not sure if it applies to my situation".

If you come here without looking it up yourself your first 2 replies might be from "Old School" and you're no better off then when you started.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It's better to look the rule up yourself and then come here.

I won't give you a big argument about this, to each his own, but, why can't "look(ing) the rule up yourself" include looking up the rule on the Forum and reading some "words" on your smartphone, laptop, tablet, or personal computer? I realize that looking something up on the Forum is somewhat different than looking up some "words" in a paper, and ink book, but is it really that different? Would you consider the Forum "Search" feature as "look(ing) up the rule yourself"? It's really not wasting our time because we don't have to respond to questions that we feel are undeserving of our attention.

And, please don't mention (that name) two more times.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

....Would you consider the Forum "Search" feature as "look(ing) up the rule yourself"? ....

I would consider it research. But still, the response might be 2 years old and outdated. So, again, what have you gained?

At what point do you look up the rule yourself? An official needs to be able to navigate through the rule book on their own.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

At what point do you look up the rule yourself? An official needs to be able to navigate through the rule book on their own.

"On your own" is the key to our polite, I hope, disagreement. I do see a difference in reading a paper, and ink, book, or a digital PDF file, on your own, written by bunch of experts, and reading a website, on your own, that offers the views of many that differ in their expertise, but a website that does feature many experts, but where you see a big difference, I only see a small difference.

Again, it's really not wasting our time because we don't have to respond to questions that we feel are undeserving of our attention, we can just ignore them. I chose not to ignore them, others may chose otherwise.

It's the Information Age. As an old fart, I'm having more trouble adjusting to it than most of you young whippersnappers, but I do understand that information will be accessible in many different ways, ways in the near future that many of us, in the present, can't even begin to imagine.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

"On your own" is the key to our polite, I hope, disagreement. I do see a difference in reading a paper, and ink, book, or a digital PDF file, on your own, written by bunch of experts, and reading a website, on your own, that offers the views of many that differ in their expertise, but a website that does feature many experts, but where you see a big difference, I only see a small difference.

Again, it's really not wasting our time because we don't have to respond to questions that we feel are undeserving of our attention, we can just ignore them. I chose not to ignore them, others may chose otherwise.

It's the Information Age. As an old fart, I'm having more trouble adjusting to it than most of you young whippersnappers, but I do understand that information will be accessible in many different ways, ways in the near future that many of us, in the present, can't even begin to imagine.

I never said it was "wasting our time", so I don't know why you are using that phrase. But you are pawning off the rule book as "paper and ink written by some experts" and equating it to some supposed experts spouting off our opinions and interpretations. The 2 are not the same.

You need to know the rule before you can discuss its interpretation or have an opinion on it.