First to touch?

[letemplay]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I think you're missing my point.

This is something that is black-n-white within the rule book. Yes, during a game or in the locker room, you might get some mis-information. But once you've left the game and now get a chance to think about the rule, you're FIRST MOVE should be to the rule book, not asking for more opinions.

So this forum/message board is NOT for opinions? Funny, I think I've read a few.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by BigT

I have a questions. When he came back onto the court was the ball bouncing and did he start dribbling. Or did he pick up the ball and start a dribble? If he picked up the ball and started to dribble it is an illegal dribble not an OB violation.

I have a questions on your questions.

[letemplay]

Originally Posted by Freddy

I have a questions on your questions.

Why is it an illegal dribble? He had not previously dribbled and it had been touched by another player.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigT

I have a questions. When he came back onto the court was the ball bouncing and did he start dribbling. Or did he pick up the ball and start a dribble? If he picked up the ball and started to dribble it is an illegal dribble not an OB violation.

Depends on what the OP meant by "knocked it back inbounds".

Most of the time (in my experience) that's not a dribble. So, gathering the ball (after the player comes inbounds) is not ending the dribble. So the "next" dribble is legal.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by letemplay

So this forum/message board is NOT for opinions? Funny, I think I've read a few.

Still missing his point.

Some plays call for opinions.

Others, such as player location, are not subject to opinion. They're just too clear.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Why is it an illegal dribble? He had not previously dribbled and it had been touched by another player.

7.1.1 SITUATION D: A1 jumps from inbounds to retrieve an errant pass near a
boundary line. A1 catches the ball while in the air and tosses it back to the court.
A1 lands out of bounds and (a) is the first to touch the ball after returning
inbounds; (b) returns inbounds and immediately dribbles the ball; or (c) picks up
the ball after returning to the court and then begins a dribble. RULING: Legal in
Page 59 2011-12 NFHS Basketball Case Rule 7
(a) and (b). Illegal in (c) as the controlled toss of the ball to the court by A1 constitutes
the start of a dribble, dribbling a second time after picking up the ball is
an illegal dribble violation. (4-15-5; 4-15-6d; 4-35; 9-5)

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BigT

7.1.1 SITUATION D: A1 jumps from inbounds to retrieve an errant pass near a
boundary line. A1 catches the ball while in the air and tosses it back to the court.
A1 lands out of bounds and (a) is the first to touch the ball after returning
inbounds; (b) returns inbounds and immediately dribbles the ball; or (c) picks up
the ball after returning to the court and then begins a dribble. RULING: Legal in
Page 59 2011-12 NFHS Basketball Case Rule 7
(a) and (b). Illegal in (c) as the controlled toss of the ball to the court by A1 constitutes
the start of a dribble, dribbling a second time after picking up the ball is
an illegal dribble violation. (4-15-5; 4-15-6d; 4-35; 9-5)

Not enough information in the OP to say whether this case is applicable or not. If the player did not catch the ball, but rather just batted it back in, this would not constitute a dribble.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by letemplay

That is how I would rule it, but have seen others say both feet needed to be clearly down before touching.

These others you see... ask them to return to officiating football, where their notions are correct.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

Look up player location.

You are where you are until you get where you're going.

[APG]

In the NBA, a player may NOT be the first to touch the ball after going out of bounds if they are dribbling the ball or if they save the ball by controlling (throwing) it. If the player saves the ball by batting it, they MAY be the first to touch the ball.

That may be source of confusion for some officials and definitely a case where fans will think we rule a play incorrectly (much like a backcourt call with a defensive deflection even with the offense being the last to touch and first to touch).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by APG

In the NBA, a player may NOT be the first to touch the ball after going out of bounds if they are dribbling the ball or if they save the ball by controlling (throwing) it. If the player saves the ball by batting it, they MAY be the first to touch the ball. That may be source of confusing for some.

Thanks APG. That may be the source of this NFHS "myth".

[jeremy341a]

Being my first year I tagged along with 3 veteren officials Friday night for a learning experience. Player A1 chases down a long pass as he was cherry picking. He saves the ball from going out of bounds. Runs back in bounds and scoops it up dishing it to his teamate for the layup. The crowd went crazy.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

You are where you are until you get where you're going.

While true, this does nothing to help answer the question asked -- did the player "get where (he was) going?"

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

While true, this does nothing to help answer the question asked -- did the player "get where (he was) going?"

100% of the time, the player gets where he was going. The question is ... was where we was going where he intended to go?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by letemplay

So this forum/message board is NOT for opinions? Funny, I think I've read a few.

You're still missing the point. At what point do you verify what the rule book says, and not just get opinions from other officials?

And there is no "opinion" about player location in the example you cited. It's clearly defined in the rule book. So I'm bewildered as to why you choose opinions over the actual written rule.