0.4 second Catch & Shoot

[chicodork]

Are they still at the mercy of the timer if I know the clock started early? But having definite knowledge when we are talking about tenths of a second is tricky

[just another ref]

It happens at all levels. End of the first half the other night, Duke-Davidson,
horn clearly sounded before the ball was touched inbounds. No correction.
Half over.

[chicodork]

I appreciate the reply, but if we have the authority to end a quarter early if the clock was slow to start, then why can't we put time on if the clock starts early?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by chicodork

I appreciate the reply, but if we have the authority to end a quarter early if the clock was slow to start, then why can't we put time on if the clock starts early?

By rule, the key phrase is definite knowledge. When dealing in tenths, there is no definite knowledge. In your play, ball touched inbounds, horn sounds, by rule there is nothing you can do.

Which is not to say it has never been done.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by chicodork

Are they still at the mercy of the timer if I know the clock started early? But having definite knowledge when we are talking about tenths of a second is tricky

Unless you can state how many tenths early the clock started, then you don't have definite knowledge and there is nothing that you can do. The quarter ends.
Timers have to do their own jobs. The game officials on the court can't do it all.

[Camron Rust]

Too many people confuse definite with accurate. They are not the same. There are case plays that establish that an officials count, no matter how accurate, is official, even if very inaccurate. If you have any count, even in 10ths, it can be used. It doesn't have to be anything more. Definite only means that you know you counted to a certain time, not that it is accurate or precise. If you feel comfortable counting parts of a second, the rules support it.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Too many people confuse definite with accurate. They are not the same. There are case plays that establish that an officials count, no matter how accurate, is official, even if very inaccurate. If you have any count, even in 10ths, it can be used. It doesn't have to be anything more. Definite only means that you know you counted to a certain time, not that it is accurate or precise. If you feel comfortable counting parts of a second, the rules support it.

While this is true, I don't know any official who is going to have an arm swing and count when play is resumed with 0.4 secs on the clock.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

While this is true, I don't know any official who is going to have an arm swing and count when play is resumed with 0.4 secs on the clock.

I may not have an arm swing but I will have a count.