Kentucky-Louisville Switcharoo

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by qcumpire

Since I don't officiate basketball, I have a couple questions. What is the penalty for switching shooters? Is the penalty the same for NCAA and Fed?

NFHS If it is ruled an act of deception it is a technical foul.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by just another ref

NFHS If it is ruled an act of deception it is a technical foul.

NCAA rules only.....
Purely for the sake of argument, lets assume that UK#22 was the incorrect shooter.
Are NCAA correctable error rules the same as Fed? Would video review be allowed?

[SAJ]

It appears that when #L2 reaches between #K3 and #K22 to "deflect" the pass the official calls a foul on #L2 and must believe that foul was against #K22. With the position of both #K3 and #L2 with their backs facing the calling official he doesn't have the best look at the "foul".

I don't recall any other angles for replay on the play so I'm not sure who the foul was actually on.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by SAJ

It appears that when #L2 reaches between #K3 and #K22 to "deflect" the pass the official calls a foul on #L2 and must believe that foul was against #K22. With the position of both #K3 and #L2 with their backs facing the calling official he doesn't have the best look at the "foul".

I don't recall any other angles for replay on the play so I'm not sure who the foul was actually on.

IMO, it's pretty clear from the video that the foul on Smith was for wrapping Noel around the waste and turning him slightly.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

IMO, it's pretty clear from the video that the foul on Smith was for wrapping Noel around the waste and turning him slightly.

How is that pretty clear? The foul looks like it was on the pass. Now whether Smith was reaching to defect the pass is an issue, but I would not say that second acton was a foul.

Peace

[just another ref]

I actually would have been happier with no foul called at all on the play.

But from the timing of the whistle and the reactions, it seems that the foul was on #2.

If so, the wrong shooter was on the line.

It happens, intentionally or otherwise.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

How is that pretty clear? The foul looks like it was on the pass. Now whether Smith was reaching to defect the pass is an issue, but I would not say that second acton was a foul.

Peace

Right, and the action I pointed out I think prevents Noel from receiving the pass cleanly.

[SAJ]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

IMO, it's pretty clear from the video that the foul on Smith was for wrapping Noel around the waste and turning him slightly.

That's your opinion.

The calling official doesn't give a signal to indicate what type of foul was called. It could have been the wrap around the waste with the left hand, which would be against #K3, or it could have been the contact with the right hand. The right hand could have been determined to be on either #K22 or #K3. I don't think the official had a good look for that right hand contact by #L2.

[SAJ]

Not a big fan of the music in the video as I'm trying to determine if there were any whistles during the break in action to indicate the wrong shooter is at the line. There appears to be one around :20 when they cut away from the line and the players then switch positions. However, I'm not sure if that was just background music.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by SAJ

Not a big fan of the music in the video as I'm trying to determine if there were any whistles during the break in action to indicate the wrong shooter is at the line. There appears to be one around :20 when they cut away from the line and the players then switch positions. However, I'm not sure if that was just background music.

I think they were bringing in subs, as this was a 1 and 1 situation. Is that the whistle you're referring to?

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

NCAA rules only.....
Purely for the sake of argument, lets assume that UK#22 was the incorrect shooter.
Are NCAA correctable error rules the same as Fed? Would video review be allowed?

Basically, yes. NCAA 2-12-1-c
1. It would have to be corrected during the first dead ball after the clock has been properly started.
2. Free throw activity, other than F's or T's, is cancelled.
3. Points scored, time consumed, and other activity after the FT(s) stands.
4. HC can "appeal" the game be stopped for a review of whether or not the CE is there.

Re: going to the monitor: Yes. This is a "may" go to the monitor situation per 2-13-2-a.

[JugglingReferee]

May go viral. It's on Yahoo!.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

Basically, yes. NCAA 2-12-1-c
1. It would have to be corrected during the first dead ball after the clock has been properly started.
2. Free throw activity, other than F's or T's, is cancelled.
3. Points scored, time consumed, and other activity after the FT(s) stands.
4. HC can "appeal" the game be stopped for a review of whether or not the CE is there.

Re: going to the monitor: Yes. This is a "may" go to the monitor situation per 2-13-2-a.

Thanks for the info. and the NCAA rule references.