30 Second Timeout Protocol

[Scuba_ref]

I thought I remembered a change that allows bench personnel to stand in the huddle and be part of a 30 second timeout. I have been looking for confirmation and can't find it. Am I losing my mind or not?

I recall the justification being that players on the bench should benefit from this coaching opportunity. Maybe it was a State thing.

[Freddy]

5-11-3 states that players must stand during the 30 second time out. Nothing to prohibit the bench personnel from standing or sitting, whichever they desire.
10-4-4c allows it.

[Raymond]

Maybe you are confusing it with an injury stoppage when players go over to their benches.

During this time bench personnel have no rules basis to stand up and join the huddle.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Maybe you are confusing it with an injury stoppage when players go over to their benches.

During this time bench personnel have no rules basis to stand up and join the huddle.

And the 20-second time to replace a DQd player.

But to answer the OP -- no, there has not been a change.

Bench personnel were always alowed to stand during this period.

[Scuba_ref]

That was my take on it as well. But in two games this year I have had another official say something. One actually went past both huddles stating "5 and 1" meaning 5 players and one coach. I disagreed in both cases.

Originally Posted by Freddy

5-11-3 states that players must stand during the 30 second time out. Nothing to prohibit the bench personnel from standing or sitting, whichever they desire.
10-4-4c allows it.

Although 10-4-4 states that all bench personnel shall not stand at the team bench except (c) During a charged time-out. So, does this mean that they can only stand in the bench area or do you allow them to stand with the huddle that is occurring in the time-out area as defined in 1-13-3 when that huddle is occurring out on the floor? That is the crux of the question for me.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

But in two games this year I have had another official say something. One actually went past both huddles stating "5 and 1" meaning 5 players and one coach.

We hereby commission you as the designated forum representative to change these two officials. Let us know how it goes.

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

(A): . . .they can only stand in the bench area; (B): the huddle that is occurring in the time-out area as defined in 1-13-3 when that huddle is occurring out on the floor . . .

For all practical purposes, A and B are the same thing. Though if pressed by a overly zealous attorney in the court of law, it may be revealed that the rulebook is not absolutely clear on this apparent distinction. Gee, now that's a first!

[Nevadaref]

See post #5 in this old thread: 30- and 60-second time-outs

[Scuba_ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

See post #5 in this old thread: 30- and 60-second time-outs

This is perfect thank you. It drives me crazy when officials go about proliferating untruths and myths. And, I prefer to have concrete evidence when I attempt to correct their behavior.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by freddy

We hereby commission you as the designated forum representative to change these two officials. Let us know how it goes.


For all practical purposes, a and b are the same thing. Though if pressed by a overly zealous attorney in the court of law, it may be revealed that the rulebook is not absolutely clear on this apparent distinction. Gee, now that's a first!

1-13-3

[Scuba_ref]

Originally Posted by Freddy

We hereby commission you as the designated forum representative to change these two officials. Let us know how it goes.

Well, after citing rule 10-4-4c as evidence that bench personnel may stand during any time out and quoting the comment from the 2001 - 02 Rule book that specifically allows substitutes to participate in the time-out meeting I got this reply back.

"Sideline is the key here, when the huddle is formed out on the court away from the bench, the 5 and 1 rule applies, that means no assistant coaches or bench players can be in the huddle. If the huddle is formed close to the sideline then bench personnel is allowed in the huddle."

[Adam]

I'd say to ask him for a rule citation for this, but you'll never get one and he will still believe his rule.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

"Sideline is the key here, when the huddle is formed out on the court away from the bench, the 5 and 1 rule applies, that means no assistant coaches or bench players can be in the huddle. If the huddle is formed close to the sideline then bench personnel is allowed in the huddle."

You have got to be kidding me? Is this Candid Camera? Where's the camera? Where's Allen Funt?

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

"Sideline is the key here, when the huddle is formed out on the court away from the bench, the 5 and 1 rule applies, that means no assistant coaches or bench players can be in the huddle. If the huddle is formed close to the sideline then bench personnel is allowed in the huddle."

Absurdly OOO

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

"Sideline is the key here, when the huddle is formed out on the court away from the bench, the 5 and 1 rule applies, that means no assistant coaches or bench players can be in the huddle. If the huddle is formed close to the sideline then bench personnel is allowed in the huddle."

Try this citation: 1-13-3: The time-out area shall be the area inside an imaginary rectangle formed by the boundaries of the sideline (including the bench), end line, and an imaginary line extended from the free-throw lane line nearest the bench area meeting an imaginary line extended from the coaching-box line.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

But in two games this year I have had another official say something. One actually went past both huddles stating "5 and 1" meaning 5 players and one coach.

If those two guys didn't run out of the gym right after your game to go make up rules in another one, the post-game would've been a great time to whip out the rule book an them...and possibly whack them in the head with it