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Scuba_ref Wed Dec 26, 2012 07:29pm

30 Second Timeout Protocol
 
I thought I remembered a change that allows bench personnel to stand in the huddle and be part of a 30 second timeout. I have been looking for confirmation and can't find it. Am I losing my mind or not?

I recall the justification being that players on the bench should benefit from this coaching opportunity. Maybe it was a State thing.

Freddy Wed Dec 26, 2012 07:40pm

5-11-3 states that players must stand during the 30 second time out. Nothing to prohibit the bench personnel from standing or sitting, whichever they desire.
10-4-4c allows it.

Raymond Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:05pm

Maybe you are confusing it with an injury stoppage when players go over to their benches.

During this time bench personnel have no rules basis to stand up and join the huddle.

bob jenkins Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:14pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 868752)
Maybe you are confusing it with an injury stoppage when players go over to their benches.

During this time bench personnel have no rules basis to stand up and join the huddle.

And the 20-second time to replace a DQd player.

But to answer the OP -- no, there has not been a change.

Bench personnel were always alowed to stand during this period.

Scuba_ref Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:59am

That was my take on it as well. But in two games this year I have had another official say something. One actually went past both huddles stating "5 and 1" meaning 5 players and one coach. I disagreed in both cases.


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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 868749)
5-11-3 states that players must stand during the 30 second time out. Nothing to prohibit the bench personnel from standing or sitting, whichever they desire.
10-4-4c allows it.

Although 10-4-4 states that all bench personnel shall not stand at the team bench except (c) During a charged time-out. So, does this mean that they can only stand in the bench area or do you allow them to stand with the huddle that is occurring in the time-out area as defined in 1-13-3 when that huddle is occurring out on the floor? That is the crux of the question for me.

Freddy Thu Dec 27, 2012 02:45am

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Originally Posted by Scuba_ref (Post 868763)
But in two games this year I have had another official say something. One actually went past both huddles stating "5 and 1" meaning 5 players and one coach.

:confused: We hereby commission you as the designated forum representative to change these two officials. Let us know how it goes. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Scuba_ref (Post 868763)
(A): . . .they can only stand in the bench area; (B): the huddle that is occurring in the time-out area as defined in 1-13-3 when that huddle is occurring out on the floor . . .

For all practical purposes, A and B are the same thing. Though if pressed by a overly zealous attorney in the court of law, it may be revealed that the rulebook is not absolutely clear on this apparent distinction. Gee, now that's a first! :eek:

Nevadaref Thu Dec 27, 2012 04:51am

See post #5 in this old thread: http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...time-outs.html

bob jenkins Thu Dec 27, 2012 09:42am

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Originally Posted by freddy (Post 868765)
:confused: We hereby commission you as the designated forum representative to change these two officials. Let us know how it goes. :rolleyes:


For all practical purposes, a and b are the same thing. Though if pressed by a overly zealous attorney in the court of law, it may be revealed that the rulebook is not absolutely clear on this apparent distinction. Gee, now that's a first! :eek:

1-13-3

JetMetFan Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:25pm

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Originally Posted by Scuba_ref (Post 868763)
But in two games this year I have had another official say something. One actually went past both huddles stating "5 and 1" meaning 5 players and one coach.

If those two guys didn't run out of the gym right after your game to go make up rules in another one, the post-game would've been a great time to whip out the rule book an them...and possibly whack them in the head with it :)

Scuba_ref Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:42pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 868768)


This is perfect thank you. It drives me crazy when officials go about proliferating untruths and myths. And, I prefer to have concrete evidence when I attempt to correct their behavior.

Adam Thu Dec 27, 2012 02:18pm

I don't know where some people get this stuff. Too many officials know too many rules that just aren't so.

tomegun Thu Dec 27, 2012 04:05pm

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Originally Posted by adam (Post 868799)
i don't know where some people get this stuff. Too many officials know too many rules that just aren't so.

+1,000,000

Scuba_ref Thu Dec 27, 2012 05:31pm

Can't teach an old dog new tricks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 868765)
:confused: We hereby commission you as the designated forum representative to change these two officials. Let us know how it goes. :rolleyes:


Well, after citing rule 10-4-4c as evidence that bench personnel may stand during any time out and quoting the comment from the 2001 - 02 Rule book that specifically allows substitutes to participate in the time-out meeting I got this reply back.

"Sideline is the key here, when the huddle is formed out on the court away from the bench, the 5 and 1 rule applies, that means no assistant coaches or bench players can be in the huddle. If the huddle is formed close to the sideline then bench personnel is allowed in the huddle."

:confused:

Adam Thu Dec 27, 2012 05:37pm

I'd say to ask him for a rule citation for this, but you'll never get one and he will still believe his rule.

BillyMac Thu Dec 27, 2012 05:57pm

Smile ...
 
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Originally Posted by Scuba_ref (Post 868817)
"Sideline is the key here, when the huddle is formed out on the court away from the bench, the 5 and 1 rule applies, that means no assistant coaches or bench players can be in the huddle. If the huddle is formed close to the sideline then bench personnel is allowed in the huddle."

You have got to be kidding me? Is this Candid Camera? Where's the camera? Where's Allen Funt?


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