1 Rule Change

[refiator]

Originally Posted by Loudwhistle2

Only players on the court can request a time out!

Although I understand where you are coming from, would you really want to put that kind of potential pressure squarely on the shoulders of a 17 year old kid?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Loudwhistle2

Only players on the court can request a time out!

The only rule that must be changed. Dumb rule to give coaches this opportunity.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by refiator

Although I understand where you are coming from, would you really want to put that kind of potential pressure squarely on the shoulders of a 17 year old kid?

The pressure of what? Mirroring his coach's timeout request?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by refiator

Although I understand where you are coming from, would you really want to put that kind of potential pressure squarely on the shoulders of a 17 year old kid?

Originally Posted by Adam

The pressure of what? Mirroring his coach's timeout request?

They handled it for decades just fine until the rule was changed to allow coaches to request the timeouts.

[APG]

Still don't see the issue with allowing coaches to ask for timeout

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by APG

Still don't see the issue with allowing coaches to ask for timeout

The problem is not them asking for a timeout, the problem is the fact they do not understand that we are not paying attention to them. Then again I also remember a time when only players could request the timeouts and somehow the players made the request just fine. I have been involved or seen too many issues come up because the coach thinks we are somehow obligated to pay attention to them. When you have a rule that has to constantly remind people that never pick up a rulebook or watch a rules video on the fact that the officials are not paying attention to them and have other duties, it is time to change the rule back to what it once was.

Peace

[Adam]

What Rut said.

We hear 99% of them just fine, but occasionally you get the coach with a soft voice, or you have a loud gym, or the action is too tense to glance at the coach to verify, or you tuned the coach out after he asked for "over the reaching moving screen you gotta call something" for the fourth time, and the coach spends half the timeout griping about how long it took you to grant the TO.

[Loudwhistle2]

Originally Posted by refiator

Although I understand where you are coming from, would you really want to put that kind of potential pressure squarely on the shoulders of a 17 year old kid?

Kids are simply relaying what the barking coach wants. Well within their abilities as far as I'm concerned.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by refiator

Although I understand where you are coming from, would you really want to put that kind of potential pressure squarely on the shoulders of a 17 year old kid?

Somehow they did this long before the rule changed.

Peace

[Loudwhistle2]

Originally Posted by Adam

What Rut said.

We hear 99% of them just fine, but occasionally you get the coach with a soft voice, or you have a loud gym, or the action is too tense to glance at the coach to verify, or you tuned the coach out after he asked for "over the reaching moving screen you gotta call something" for the fourth time, and the coach spends half the timeout griping about how long it took you to grant the TO.

Amen to all that! We had a middle school tournament here about a month ago and one of the star guards was named Tyman! What a giant pain, coach must've said his name about every trip down the floor. Going to be a long four years once he hits high school!

[APG]

Originally Posted by Adam

What Rut said.

We hear 99% of them just fine, but occasionally you get the coach with a soft voice, or you have a loud gym, or the action is too tense to glance at the coach to verify, or you tuned the coach out after he asked for "over the reaching moving screen you gotta call something" for the fourth time, and the coach spends half the timeout griping about how long it took you to grant the TO.

Not sure why a rule should be changed if we hear them fine 99 percent of the time. 2/3 of those situations are on the coach for not being loud enough/signaling a TO along with his verbal request, so I'm not going to feel bad about those situations. The 3rd is a simply byproduct of doing our duties...a la paying attention to what's on the court. Coach will just have to accept that and I'd have no problem telling him/her as much if he/she tries to make a bid deal of it.

Seriously though, the overwhelming amount of timeouts granted via coach's request are easy enough to grant and come at predictable enough times that it isn't an issue...at least from what I've noticed.

[constable]

Originally Posted by tomegun

This would also force some changes to the way the game is coached. Do you think some of these kids are smart enough to follow their coach's wishes during late game situations?

In FIBA the coach or assistant coach only can request a timeout through the scorer which is only granted during a deadball. It forces the players to decide the game, not the coaches.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

How has Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. been able to post under the name of both ref3808, and HawkeyeCubP? Does he think that just because he's a moderator, that he can take over anybody's Forum username, and post under that username?

Billy:

I am good but not that good, I am working on my First Post. I am going through this thread post by post and writing my responses.

MTD, Sr.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

No more jump balls. Not to start the game. Not to start overtimes. None. Period. No more jump balls. Flip a coin. Or give it to the visitors first. Or give it to the home team first. Or have the captains play rock, paper, scissors. It doesn't matter, as long as you do away with all jump balls. No more jump balls. Any questions about where I stand on this issue?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!



MTD, Sr.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by iubirdman

For me it would be the fumble rule, nothing more unnatural than seeing a kid take 3-5 steps with a ball because they cannot hang on to it. It is worse yet when it is after they pick up the dribble and try to make a pass and fumble it. It seems to reward kids for having bad hands as you can get a bit of an advantage with it when it happens.

I do not have a problem with allowing this because the rules are pretty clear: To commit a travel violation, one must have Player Control of the ball.

Originally Posted by Adam

Switch the arrow as soon as the throw in starts for an AP throw in.

I will go you one better, eliminate the Alternate Possession (an abomination upon the game) Rule and go back to using a Jump Ball to put the ball back into play. (Billy, I know, just shut up, but like Junior and Andy, just let an old man ramble, .)

But really, I do not see the problem with how the rule is now.

Originally Posted by bainsey

I have two...

*If A-1 touches/taps the ball from B's frontcourt to backcourt (assuming team control is already established), B-2 doesn't have to wait until the ball touches the backcourt's floor to be legal to play.

*Allow a team the freedom to review video anytime it wants.

How is this not different from the rule now?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by OKREF

Get rid of the 3 second rule

I like this rule change. There was a time when this rule was necessary but with today's motion offense, if one is camping in the paint he is easy to defend and really isn't helping his team.


A number posters have talked about changes to the Correctable Error Rule. I have no problem with the rule except I would delete the following from the rule (NFHS R2-S8-A6 and NCAA R2-S12-A5): "and there has been no change of team possession since the error was made, in which case play shall resume as after any free-throw attempt(s)." and "and there has been no change of team possession since the error was made. In that case, play shall resume as after any normal free throw."

Originally Posted by Loudwhistle2

Only players on the court can request a time out!

The current NFHS and NCAA rule has been the women's college rule since before the 1974-75 school year (NAGWS Rules which was an adaptation of the FIBA Rules which is still the same now). The NFHS and NCAA Men's adopted the NCAA Women's Rule (which we have now in the early 1990's). Therefore I have officiated 39 years under the current rule and approximately twenty years under the rule that LoudWhistle would readopt. I really do not care which rule we use.

Originally Posted by tomegun

I would like to have someone from both schools be responsible for being the uniform police. Or make it to where anything we see is a technical - one for each infraction throughout the game. That would force the coaches to make sure their kids wear the uniform the right way.

I am all for whatever rule changes reduce the possibility for inconsistency from crew to crew, association to association, state to state and sea to shining sea.

You are preaching to the choir.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Despite the published situation to the contrary, that is actually already the rule.

You beat me to my earlier comment.

Originally Posted by ref3808

1. Players on the floor call time outs ... not coaches. 2. Alternating possessions. Let 'em jump. I don't like it when the offense exposes the ball and/or the defense makes a good play to tie it up it and the outcome is determined by an arrow. 3. Play the release, not the rim on free throws.

And if you really want to know ... I hate the three point line, the restricted area in the NCAA, and in the NBE [NBA] the defensive three second.

I think that's it.

I like this man's thinking. I would get rid of the restricted are in the NBA/WNBA too. I would get rid of the shot clock every where.

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Coaches and officials have to pass a rules test with 90% (maybe 80% because they word some of the questions stupidly) to be able to officiate. Timed test. 2 goes at it. If you don't pass, you don't coach or officiate.

I like it.


There have been a number of posts about the NFHS and NCAA Closely Guarded Rule. My preference is to adopt the NCAA Women's and FIBA Rule which is only while holding the ball anywhere on the court. BUT, don't get your knickers in a bunch. There is no. ten second backcourt in NCAA Women's (FIBA used to be like that but know it has the NBA/WNBA eight second rule in the backcourt.), so the rule would apply only in the frontcourt for NFHS and NCAA Men's Rules.

That's all for now. Have a wonderful time of last minute Christmas shopping everybody.

MTD, Sr.


P.S. Billy, the surgery went fine. I probably could have officiated with Mark, Jr., this past Thursday, but his back needed a rest, .