Double FT violation

[Sharpshooternes]

A1 is shooting second of 2 FTs. B1 lowest block on the lane steps across the line before the ball hits the rim. Had a varsity official tonight stating that you only penalize the first violation ruling that the first (B1) caused the second (A1). He doesn't think you should ever go to the possession arrow because B1 would get the advantage by stepping over in subsequent throws causing A to violate so A should just reshoot every time. Obviously this is not the rule. How do most people handle this situatuion?

[APG]

9.1.3 Situation H

[just another ref]

When the second violator is the shooter, you do penalized both and go to the AP. How could a guy stepping in from the block cause the shooter to violate?

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by just another ref

When the second violator is the shooter, you do penalized both and go to the AP. How could a guy stepping in from the block cause the shooter to violate?

My thoughts exactly. What would be an example of disconcertion that would cause the FT shooter violate. I couldn't think of any thing. It is pretty much always just going to be a violation on the shooter with out any disconcertion and penalized accordingly.

I thought his argument was pretty weak.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by just another ref

When the second violator is the shooter, you do penalized both and go to the AP. How could a guy stepping in from the block cause the shooter to violate?

Can anyone pose a scenario where Violation on B followed by Violation by A at the line that you wouldn't rule a double violation and go to AP arrow?

[APG]

If B1 entered in right as A1 was shooting the free throw, and A1 stopped his motion due to this, I could see a case for call disconcertion.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by APG

If B1 entered in right as A1 was shooting the free throw, and A1 stopped his motion due to this, I could see a case for call disconcertion.

You mean stopped his motion resulting in an air ball?

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

You mean stopped his motion resulting in an air ball?

Stopped his motion...then reshoots and shoots an airball.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

A1 is shooting second of 2 FTs. B1 lowest block on the lane steps across the line before the ball hits the rim. Had a varsity official tonight stating that you only penalize the first violation ruling that the first (B1) caused the second (A1). He doesn't think you should ever go to the possession arrow because B1 would get the advantage by stepping over in subsequent throws causing A to violate so A should just reshoot every time. Obviously this is not the rule. How do most people handle this situatuion?

Depending on the "power" relationship between the two parties, I point out rule 9-1, penalty 4b.

[tophat67]

What happens if there is a double violation on the first free throw attempt. B1 steps into an open lane spot after the shooter has been handed the ball. Few seconds later, shooter then fumbles the ball and steps over the line before shooting the free throw.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by tophat67

What happens if there is a double violation on the first free throw attempt. B1 steps into an open lane spot after the shooter has been handed the ball. Few seconds later, shooter then fumbles the ball and steps over the line before shooting the free throw.

Follow 9-1 Penalty 4b (which refers you to Penalty 3)