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Old Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:48pm
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You're playing semantics to avoid calling the proper (by rule) blocking foul.
Consider this scenario: A1 is driving to the hoop and sees defender B1 ready to take the charge so he kicks it to A2 in the corner. In his effort to avoid a pass & crash foul, he attempts to side-step B1 but in the process loses his balance and stumbles over the end line. Meanwhile, A2 is nailing a go-ahead 3-pointer. Violation?

If you read all of the case plays concerning leaving for unauthorized reasons, each of those plays are willful acts. Accidentally stepping on an OOB line is not a reason to fishing in the "Leaving the floor for unauthorized reason" pond.
The defender's foot on the line is not an accident. It's taught and coached.
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The defender's foot on the line is not an accident. It's taught and coached.
Coaches don't teach players to have a foot on the sideline while having a discussion with the coach. Coaches used to teach defenders to have a foot on the sideline to insure that a ball handler can't beat the defender up the sideline. Since the rule has changed, coaches shouldn't be teaching that anymore.
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The defender's foot on the line is not an accident. It's taught and coached.
So then you agree that the defender is trying to obtain LGP? In this case the defender is trying to close off the sideline. He is not entitled to place his foot off of the court in an effort to obtain LGP therefore it is a blocking foul.

This isn't that hard people.

Adam, your hypothetical of the player talking to his coach is completely different than a situation where the player is taught to put his/her foot on the sideline.
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The defender's foot on the line is not an accident. It's taught and coached.
Bingo, and I'm trying to coach middle schoolers in the full court press the proper (legal) defensive position. Seems like CB 4.23.3 B (a) is exactly what I was looking for, I just couldn't find it in my haste earlier. Thanks for the comments
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The defender's foot on the line is not an accident. It's taught and coached.
It may be, but it is also something I rarely see and would not go with a violation if a player just steps out of bounds.

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It may be, but it is also something I rarely see and would not go with a violation if a player just steps out of bounds.

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And I don't think you should. I don't understand, however, how it's a block if he hasn't left the court, though.
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Old Mon Dec 10, 2012, 05:41pm
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And I don't think you should. I don't understand, however, how it's a block if he hasn't left the court, though.
The original post had the defender with a foot on the out of bounds line. That buy rule and interpretation is a block if there is a block charge call to be made. I will admit I did not read carefully through ever debate or issue.

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Frankly, I could just as easily take either side in this debate.
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Frankly, I could just as easily take either side in this debate.
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