Player enters a court without being beckoned.

[Sharpshooternes]

Sophmore boys game today, I was standing at midcourt ready to hand the ball to the thrower-in-er. I hand it too him and he passes the ball to A2 on the court. Horn sounds and B6 walks on to the court to sub for B1. I blow the play dead and tell B6 to get off the court and make him wait. Until the next opportunity to sub. I don't think I handled the situation by rule but no one complained and my varsity official said I did it correctly. I was just going to ignore the horn because I knew it was for a sub, but the player walked on to the court.

I think by rule it should have been a technical foul charged to someone (team, player? I don't know.) Some advice on the proper way to handle this in the future would be appreciated.

[Camron Rust]

By rule, a T on the player for entering without being beckoned.

Also by rule, once you blow the whistle, whether you call the T or not, it is now a legal opportunity to sub and that player is allowed in.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

By rule, a T on the player for entering without being beckoned.

Also by rule, once you blow the whistle, whether you call the T or not, it is now a legal opportunity to sub and that player is allowed in.

Unlikely that's the way it's going to get handled by many officials, though.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Also by rule, once you blow the whistle, whether you call the T or not, it is now a legal opportunity to sub and that player is allowed in.

Originally Posted by Rich

Unlikely that's the way it's going to get handled by many officials, though.

By rule, there is no legal way that I can prevent that eligible substitute from entering the game at that point. If you go by the book, you can't get in trouble.

[refiator]

I wouldn't assess a T in this case...Unless I can T the table.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by refiator

Unless I can T the table.

... and then make them all sit down. That'll teach 'em.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Rich

Unlikely that's the way it's going to get handled by many officials, though.

Have to agree with Rich...

...we had a similar situation the other night in a BV game. I had just handed the ball to the "thrower"...and before he released the ball, a player ran on the court at the same time my partner was blowing his whistle. This was after a TO, and since the player had not reported before the first horn we made the player wait untill the next opportunity to sub.

My partner later said he did not know that I had given the ball to the "thrower"...which seems odd because we have worked a lot of games together (20 plus years) and we always try to get eye contact with each other before a throw-in. (this was 3 whistle crew)

...anyway...we discussed this at our association meeting and let the group have a good laugh at us. I, good naturedly, *****ed my partner out in front of the group and said we should have T'd up the player for running onto the court.

Probably good that we didn't T up the player...because my partner blew his whistle to let the sub in... (Inadvertant whistle)

Would any of you have let the sub in the game in this situation?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Sophmore boys game today, I was standing at midcourt ready to hand the ball to the thrower-in-er.

He's just a thrower.

And yes, the way you handled it was fine, IF you also then had a short conversation with the timer.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Sophmore boys game today, I was standing at midcourt ready to hand the ball to the thrower-in-er. I hand it too him and he passes the ball to A2 on the court. Horn sounds and B6 walks on to the court to sub for B1. I blow the play dead and tell B6 to get off the court and make him wait. Until the next opportunity to sub. I don't think I handled the situation by rule but no one complained and my varsity official said I did it correctly. I was just going to ignore the horn because I knew it was for a sub, but the player walked on to the court.

I think by rule it should have been a technical foul charged to someone (team, player? I don't know.) Some advice on the proper way to handle this in the future would be appreciated.

Just for comparison:

In FIBA, once the ball is live in the thrower-in's hands, the substitution opportunity is over, and when B6 enters the court, you could only bring him in if you call him for a T, which would create another substitution opportunity.

But if we decide to not call a T, I am tempted to inform B6 to get off the court and continue play. If that doesn't or won't go smoothly, kill the play, reset the clock to what it should have been, re-do the throw-in and B6 can in at the next substitution opportunity.