Approval of Final Score

[rekent]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

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At horn, officials give thumps up to table and run off court

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As officials are leaving gym, home team coach presents home book that indicates score is actually tied 59 all.

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

... In this case you did not leave the floor so the score was not approved.

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They had already left/approved.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rekent

They had already left/approved.

He says they were "leaving the gym." That is different than left the gym. And by rule you have to leave the visual confines to approve the score.

"As officials are leaving gym, home team coach presents home book that indicates score is actually tied 59 all."

2-2-4:

The jurisdiction of the officials is terminated and the final score has been approved when all officials leave the visual confines of the playing area.

NOTE: The officials retain clerical authority over the contest through the completion of any reports, including those imposing disqualifications, which are responsive to actions occurring while the officials had jurisdiction. State associations may intercede in the event of unusual incidents that occur before, during or after the officials’ jurisdiction has ended or in the event that a contest is terminated prior to the conclusion of regulation play.

So unless everyone had left you can still proceed with the game. Also the new clarification might allow the game to continue in a situation like this if the state chooses to get involved.

Peace

[ronny mulkey]

Rut,

Assume you left visual confines and approved final score.
Assume book was accurate but scoreboard was inaccurate
What did you approve - book or scoreboard?
Also, assume you did all you could do as as an official - i.e. checked and verified with table personnel that all was accurate before you left visual confines

Then, after you had showered and dressed, the coach presents an accurate book that reflects that the score is tied.

What do you do as officials? What does the cooach do?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Rut,

Assume you left visual confines and approved final score.
Assume book was accurate but scoreboard was inaccurate

When I "check the book" I physically look at the "running score" to see what are the last boxes checked on each side. That's the "score I'm approving" and it will be the same as the scoreboard (or we'll find out then why not).

If later it's discovered that the detailed notations don't add up to the running score? Too bad.

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

When I "check the book" I physically look at the "running score" to see what are the last boxes checked on each side. That's the "score I'm approving" and it will be the same as the scoreboard (or we'll find out then why not).

If later it's discovered that the detailed notations don't add up to the running score? Too bad.

Bob,

I verify matches (home book, visiting book, scoreboard) at halftime and some point near the end of a game. If the game is close at the end, I get a thumps up before leaving the visual confines. But I don't actually look at the running scores at all.

Do you think that I should start doing this?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Rut,

Assume you left visual confines and approved final score.
Assume book was accurate but scoreboard was inaccurate
What did you approve - book or scoreboard?

That has been answered. The scoreboard is for show. It is the book that you verify. So ... my question is - what exactly did you do when you "checked and verified"? The most important thing you are verifying is the score. How could you look at the book, see V 59, H 59, and say, "All right, great, lets shower!"

Also, assume you did all you could do as as an official - i.e. checked and verified with table personnel that all was accurate before you left visual confines

See previous question. What exactly are you verifying if not the score?

Then, after you had showered and dressed, the coach presents an accurate book that reflects that the score is tied.

It's out of your hands at this point. Prepare for some yelling. At you. Probably by several people.

What does the cooach do?

Report that the officials verified that the score was tied and left anyway.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

What do you do as officials? What does the cooach do?

Well if you are not talking about right after the game has ended (which was not clear to me), then there is nothing you can do. Game over. Not your problem. I also do not care what a coach can or cannot do, I do not coach. My job is done and I am going home. Again this is why both scorers sit next to each other so that this can be prevented instantly. And if not then someone on the bench keeping track should know all kinds of things as it relates to score and fouls so something is not done incorrectly. I put this on the teams to let that happen.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

He says they were "leaving the gym." That is different than left the gym. And by rule you have to leave the visual confines to approve the score.
Peace

He is talking about leaving the facility after they had showered...not just leaving the court at the buzzer.

[Camron Rust]

I'd say you're approving the score as you believed it to be...perhaps as was indicated on the board. If the book had something different, even though it is the official record, they must make it known before you're out of the court area. If not, it is too late.

[ronny mulkey]

Camron,

I'm not disagreeing as your post certainly sounds logical. Is this the general opinion of most of the discussion board or has there always been a difference of opinion on this discussion board? I found a few threads in the archives and they didn't seem to have a final answer?????

If the losing coach asked for advice, would you suggest he kick it up to your state bigwigs?

[maven]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I'd say you're approving the score as you believed it to be...perhaps as was indicated on the board. If the book had something different, even though it is the official record, they must make it known before you're out of the court area. If not, it is too late.

+1

The scoreboard is a representation of the scorebook. If they don't match, I agree, it's up to the table to fix it or get the officials' attention before they leave.

The officials are leaving because they believe the score is NOT tied. Once they're out of the room, the score is IN FACT not tied.

As for advice to the losing coach: get a better scorekeeper. My state wouldn't do anything about this outcome, and I think few would.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I'd say you're approving the score as you believed it to be...perhaps as was indicated on the board. If the book had something different, even though it is the official record, they must make it known before you're out of the court area. If not, it is too late.

Coming from you, this surprises me. From this forum, I know you to be a good official. You know the scoreboard is just a pretty bunch of lights. You (I would have assumed) should also know that we verify the veracity of the BOOK (after all... it's the book that is your official record of all that happened ... they don't ship the scoreboard off somewhere).

[Adam]

Seems to me the score is tied. Kick it up to the state, maybe they'll allow OT to be played, maybe they won't. Good luck.

[BillyMac]

Several years ago we had two officials (in another little corner of Connecticut, not mine) come back out of the locker room to handle a situation like this. Their career headed south after that fateful decision.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

the scoreboard is just a pretty bunch of lights.

Post o' the week.