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Old Mon Dec 03, 2012, 08:05pm
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Incorrect.

LGP is a special case of guarding. You can not have legal GUARDING position of you are not GUARDING.

If it were as you suggest, a defender could be chasing an opponent from behind (2 feet down and facing), pass them, then step across into their path with their back to them just as contact occurs and it would be a charge. We never call it that way....ever. I have never seen anyone at any level call it that way.

Furthermore, if your interpretation were true, everyone would have LGP the entire game once they faced each opponent with their feet down just once somewhere on the floor.

Even more so, your interpretation would permit a defender to move under an airborne opponent since your definition of legal position only involves stance and not position and the rule on airborne opponents only requires "legal position" and that could be satisfied even outside the path and moving under after the opponent was airborne.

Simply put, the definitions of LGP just don't work at all unless it includes the path.
That wasn't an interpretation, that was verbatim from the rule book.
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If a dribbler is retreating, his defender still has LGP. I'm also maintaining my five second count.
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Old Mon Dec 03, 2012, 08:39pm
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That wasn't an interpretation, that was verbatim from the rule book.
The 2 passages below are not verbatim from the rule book, they are your interpretations


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Being in the path only applies to the definition of guarding..

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To obtain a legal guarding position you do not have to be in the path of the offensive player. To be guarding an offensive player you must be in his path.
The interpretation I use to establish LGP is "...the act of legally placing the body in the path of an offensive opponent." plus 4-23-2a&b.
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Old Mon Dec 03, 2012, 08:46pm
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The 2 passages below are not verbatim from the rule book, they are your interpretations




The interpretation I use to establish LGP is "...the act of legally placing the body in the path of an offensive opponent." plus 4-23-2a&b.
Fair enough. However, the NFHS definition of initial legal guarding position does not include " being in the path of the offensive player"
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Old Mon Dec 03, 2012, 08:59pm
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Pretty sure that NFHS assumed that since they defined guarding as an act of placing one's body in the path of an opponent, that they didn't have to include that portion in a section about legal guarding position.
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Old Mon Dec 03, 2012, 09:01pm
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Pretty sure that NFHS assumed that since they defined guarding as an act of placing one's body in the path of an opponent, that they didn't have to include that portion in a section about legal guarding position.
You're right.
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Old Mon Dec 03, 2012, 09:40pm
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Sorry I took the quote out of context. Here is the full quote:

Coaches should not teach players to “head hunt” after securing the ball. Defenders must understand that while guarding so close an elbow may hit them which could result in incidental contact to the head or shoulder. While good defense (defense without hand checking, slapping, or other illegal contact) should not be penalized, the offensive player must be allowed room to maneuver the ball without contacting the defensive player. Remember legal guarding position is two feet on the floor and facing the opponent. A defensive player to the side or behind an offensive player is not in a legal guarding position
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Pretty sure that NFHS assumed that since they defined guarding as an act of placing one's body in the path of an opponent, that they didn't have to include that portion in a section about legal guarding position.
Exactly...it is implied by the location in the guarding rule and is assumed that you don't have to redefine each term every time it is used.
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