PC foul?

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by representing

IMO, this is the best explanation on this topic. What I've always been told is that a defender can have LGP and still move upwards (i.e. jump) or backwards. But, if a defender is moving sideways (and doesn't get LPG first) or forward in the path of an offensive player, blocking charge.

I am going with a defensive foul. now who thinks the offensive player gets shots? It appears in the video that the official behind the play is signaling the foul was "on the ground."

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

I am going with a defensive foul. now who thinks the offensive player gets shots? It appears in the video that the official behind the play is signaling the foul was "on the ground."

I don't use the phrase "on the ground". A player can be still touching the floor (which is what on the ground means) and still be in the act of shooting.

The official was signalling that the shooter was shooting a 2-point attempt - his right foot was still in contact with the floor when he was fouled and before he became airborne. He did this because this particular shooter was previously behind the arc and executed a move to draw a "foul" - the shooter even looked over his right shoulder to find the defender. The proof is that the official extended two fingers towards the ground where the right foot was located.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OKREF

The movement by the shooter caused all the contact.

I guess if you mean an airborne defender that committed to block a shot is totally responsible for all contact in this case. Again this is not about who really was the cause, the defender is not in a legal position. The shooter has a right to shoot the ball and jump in all kinds of ways to do so.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I guess if you mean an airborne defender that committed to block a shot is totally responsible for all contact in this case. Again this is not about who really was the cause, the defender is not in a legal position. The shooter has a right to shoot the ball and jump in all kinds of ways to do so.

I'm shocked to see you write that. I disagree 100%. People are going to have different opinions about the video and that is why I posted it, but very few learned basketball officials are going to agree with your comment above.

I truly hope that this thread opens some eyes to what I believe is an incorrect mentality shown by many officials to favor the player with the ball and penalize defenders. I hope that people will take some time to consider which player is actually infringing upon the rules as written and just go with what they have always seen or been told.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I don't use the phrase "on the ground". A player can be still touching the floor (which is what on the ground means) and still be in the act of shooting.

The official was signalling that the shooter was shooting a 2-point attempt - his right foot was still in contact with the floor when he was fouled and before he became airborne. He did this because this particular shooter was previously behind the arc and executed a move to draw a "foul" - the shooter even looked over his right shoulder to find the defender. The proof is that the official extended two fingers towards the ground where the right foot was located.

I don't use that phrase or signal either for the same reasons you mention above (not to mention it isn't an approved mechanic). I was just pointing out the fact that it looked like that was what the official was calling in the video, although looking at it again, I think your reading of what the official was communicating is more correct.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

I don't use that phrase or signal either for the same reasons you mention above (not to mention it isn't an approved mechanic). I was just pointing out the fact that it looked like that was what the official was calling in the video, although looking at it again, I think your reading of what the official was communicating is more correct.

There is no doubt that the official in the play (Marc Davis) is signaling that the try is for 2 and that the shooter will have two shoots. If he was going to communicate the foul was before the player was in the act of shooting, he would have waved off the shot.

[representing]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

I am going with a defensive foul. now who thinks the offensive player gets shots? It appears in the video that the official behind the play is signaling the foul was "on the ground."

You might be right. I did see the official's hand point down but I thought that was more for pointing that the right foot was inside the arc, only a two points try.

[JugglingReferee]

The play-by-play of this game:


02:42 Landry Foul: Shooting (1 PF) (2 FTA)
Love Free Throw 1 of 2 Missed 02:42
Team Rebound 02:42
Stiemsma Substitution replaced by Cunningham 02:42
Love Free Throw 2 of 2 Missed 02:42