PC foul?

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Shooting foul all the way. Defender not in LGP and the movement by the shooter did nothing to cause contact IMO.

Peace

The movement by the shooter caused all the contact.

[zm1283]

Shooting foul on the defense.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by OKREF

The movement by the shooter caused all the contact.

Nothing the defender did caused any contact? If I were the offensive coach, I don't think I'd accept that explanation.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

Nothing the defender did caused any contact? If I were the offensive coach, I don't think I'd accept that explanation.

Did the offensive player jump straight up, or did he go outside his vertical plane? He jumped into the defensive player. The player with the ball is to be given no more protection or consideration than the defender in judging which player has violated the rules.

Watch the clip again. If the shooter goes straight up, there will be no contact. He jumps into the defender creating the contact.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Did the offensive player jump straight up, or did he go outside his vertical plane? He jumped into the defensive player. The player with the ball is to be given no more protection or consideration than the defender in judging which player has violated the rules.

Watch the clip again. If the shooter goes straight up, there will be no contact. He jumps into the defender creating the contact.

My point is that in no way does the defender jump straight up, either. He jumped into the defensive player, sure, but the defender also jumps into the shooter.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

My point is that in no way does the defender jump straight up, either. He jumped into the defensive player, sure, but the defender also jumps into the shooter.

Respectfully disagree. If the shooter goes straight up, it looks to me that contact will be avoided.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Respectfully disagree. If the shooter goes straight up, it looks to me that contact will be avoided.

I don't think that has much bearing, as the same could be said about the defender.

[Camron Rust]

While in some cases, I can see calling a foul on the offense when they deliberately jump towards an airborne shooter, it is still the defender who must be in the path of the opponent facing with feet down in order to have LGP. In this case, the step to make that shot attempt was roughly towards the basket....the offensive player took a path which the defender didn't yet have a legal right to occupy. I have a block in this example.

This would be no different than a defender rotating from the corner to cut off a drive from the top of the key and jumping across the shooter's path before the shooter went up. The defender doesn't get the right to a spot by getting airborne first.

If the defender was sailing by from front to back and was clearly going to pass behind the shooter but the shooter jumped back in a direction a shooter wouldn't normally take, I could see a PC foul.

[Adam]

I've got to consider an illegal ball screen.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OKREF

The movement by the shooter caused all the contact.

I agree. The defender was trying to get to a spot, and the shooter's movements were premeditated in order to make contact. I may have gone with free throws live, but on replay, I'm not convinced.