False multiple foul w/ T first

[bob jenkins]

8-6-2: If there is a multiple throw and both a single personal and single technical foul are involved, the tries shall be attempted in the order in which the related fouls occurred, and IF (emphasis added) the last try is for a single technical foul... the ball shall be put in play by a throw-in.

Now, what would we do if the fouls were simultaneous?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It is not logical that a team is spared part of the penalty for a foul by committing another foul.

B1 gets charged with a T. Either during the 2nd FT or during the ensuing throw-in while the thrower has the ball, B2 fouls A3 in the backcourt near the endline. The foul by B2 is the 8th of the half by Team B.

This is also a False Multiple foul. I have simply put more lag between the two fouls in order to make it clearer what the proper admin is.

Obviously, Team A loses the throw-in at the division line when the penalty for the foul by B2 is enforced.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What is there to fix? I haven't seen anything written which supports this particular interpretation.

The fact that there's no rule that says FM fouls can be enforced in anything but order of occurance.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

8-6-2: If there is a multiple throw and both a single personal and single technical foul are involved, the tries shall be attempted in the order in which the related fouls occurred, and IF (emphasis added) the last try is for a single technical foul... the ball shall be put in play by a throw-in.

That's it. No more questions. Saving grace is that I anticipate that I will never see such a false double/multiple occur in this sequence.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

That's it. No more questions. Saving grace is that I anticipate that I will never see such a false double/multiple occur in this sequence.

How about the scenario that I posted in #17? The throw-in foul is not that uncommon.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

B1 gets charged with a T. During the ensuing throw-in while the thrower has the ball, B2 fouls A3 in the backcourt near the endline. The foul by B2 is the 8th of the half by Team B.

Obviously, Team A loses the throw-in at the division line when the penalty for the foul by B2 is enforced.

A didn't lose the throw-in. The ball was put in play. Nothing says the throw-in has to end any certain way.

As to your other scenario, I refuse to consider the possibility of a personal foul during a technical free throw.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Now, what would we do if the fouls were simultaneous?

Invoke 2-3.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Invoke 2-3.

I agree. And, I'm likely having the T be second.

And, since the definition of double fouls and multiple fouls and SIMULTANEOUS fouls include "at approximately the same time" can a T and a PF that occur during the same act of shooting (which in all but extreme cases is a failry short period of time), be considered "simultaneous?"