Traveling

[drofficial]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm assuming you meant to place a smiley face after this sentence.

No. And 40 would be a conservative number is some games...

Personally, when I get a chance to break down a game I see more incorrectly called travels than missed travels.

Then with all due respect, you are not breaking down the game correctly, at least if we are applying the rule as written

[Adam]

Originally Posted by drofficial

Then with all due respect, you are not breaking down the game correctly, at least if we are applying the rule as written

I'm sorry, but you can't speak for games that anyone here is working. It might just be possible that you're breaking the film down incorrectly rather than everyone else involved in basketball everywhere.

[Adam]

And two weeks into the season I've seen more phantom travels than missed travels

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by drofficial

Then with all due respect, you are not breaking down the game correctly, at least if we are applying the rule as written

You have no idea what experience any one and certainly have no idea what BNR's background is in breaking down tape. That is a rather condescending statement to suggest that your ability is better than others and you even admit you are not tech savvy. Many of us here not only deal with video extensively, we break down video here all the time. And if your suggestion is to call 40 more travels, that makes me really think it would be a nightmare to watch your games. I know I call my share of travels, but no where near 10 I call in just a single game. Calling 40 would be excessive.

Peace

[drofficial]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You have no idea what experience any one and certainly have no idea what BNR's background is in breaking down tape. That is a rather condescending statement to suggest that your ability is better than others and you even admit you are not tech savvy. Many of us here not only deal with video extensively, we break down video here all the time. And if your suggestion is to call 40 more travels, that makes me really think it would be a nightmare to watch your games. I know I call my share of travels, but no where near 10 I call in just a single game. Calling 40 would be excessive.

Peace

Respectfully, you are missing my point. I am not suggesting that we call 40 travels. I am simply making the observation that there are numerous traveling violations each game on this one, easy-to-call rule alone (pivot foot lifted before ball released on dribble). And the setting aside of this rule is compromising the integrity of the great game of BB.

[Adam]

The integrity of the game?

Please.

[Pantherdreams]

Not that I can speak for everyone everywhere, but I know with FIBA rules the last few years in Canada the footwork issue has been a major POE. Particularly at high levels (college, high level club, etc) if the player does not cross over step, but rather blast off strong side with the dominant pivot foot its almost automatically a travel. Step across the body to add time to release the ball or be perfect on the take off or its automatic.

When players come up to play in CIS games from the states they'll get called for 7-10 travels a game until they learn how to catch and attack with the crossover step.

It is the same rule as NFHS in regards to the back foot coming up but the interpretation has become that unless it is obviously not a travel to call it as one.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Not that I can speak for everyone everywhere, but I know with FIBA rules the last few years in Canada the footwork issue has been a major POE. Particularly at high levels (college, high level club, etc) if the player does not cross over step, but rather blast off strong side with the dominant pivot foot its almost automatically a travel. Step across the body to add time to release the ball or be perfect on the take off or its automatic.

This makes it sound that FIBA has a completely different idea on pivoting and traveling than was intended in the game of basketball. Makes me like FIBA even less than I already did.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

This makes it sound that FIBA has a completely different idea on pivoting and traveling than was intended in the game of basketball. Makes me like FIBA even less than I already did.

I don't know about that. There are a lot of travels that go uncalled here. I see them but I don't call them because others don't call them. I'm not going to be a pioneer. They used to get called decades ago. The USA application of traveling is pretty lax.

[drofficial]

Originally Posted by deecee

This makes it sound that FIBA has a completely different idea on pivoting and traveling than was intended in the game of basketball. Makes me like FIBA even less than I already did.

No, apparently FIBA is simply enforcing the standard, proper rules, so that the game of BB can be played the way it was intended.

[drofficial]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Not that I can speak for everyone everywhere, but I know with FIBA rules the last few years in Canada the footwork issue has been a major POE. Particularly at high levels (college, high level club, etc) if the player does not cross over step, but rather blast off strong side with the dominant pivot foot its almost automatically a travel. Step across the body to add time to release the ball or be perfect on the take off or its automatic.

When players come up to play in CIS games from the states they'll get called for 7-10 travels a game until they learn how to catch and attack with the crossover step.

It is the same rule as NFHS in regards to the back foot coming up but the interpretation has become that unless it is obviously not a travel to call it as one.

Wow, so finally, some people are hearing what I am saying. Yes, it is exactly as you say: when a player goes strong side, instead of crosings over, it would be an automatic travel (if we are applying the rules). And yep, as you say, numerous travels per game.

[APG]

Originally Posted by drofficial

Wow, so finally, some people are hearing what I am saying. Yes, it is exactly as you say: when a player goes strong side, instead of crosings over, it would be an automatic travel (if we are applying the rules). And yep, as you say, numerous travels per game.

People hear what you're saying...just a majority of people (so far) don't agree with your premise.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by drofficial

Wow, so finally, some people are hearing what I am saying. Yes, it is exactly as you say: when a player goes strong side, instead of crosings over, it would be an automatic travel (if we are applying the rules). And yep, as you say, numerous travels per game.

Wahr do "when a player goes strong side" and "instead of crosings over" mean as it applies to the travel rule?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by drofficial

Wow, so finally, some people are hearing what I am saying. Yes, it is exactly as you say: when a player goes strong side, instead of crosings over, it would be an automatic travel (if we are applying the rules). And yep, as you say, numerous travels per game.

If you believe this as written, then it's clear you don't understand the traveling rule.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by drofficial

Respectfully, you are missing my point. I am not suggesting that we call 40 travels. I am simply making the observation that there are numerous traveling violations each game on this one, easy-to-call rule alone (pivot foot lifted before ball released on dribble). And the setting aside of this rule is compromising the integrity of the great game of BB.

I routinely make this call when it occurs. What I don't do is guess if I don't see it clearly.