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[APG]

Originally Posted by drofficial

Thanks for the thoughts. But I am still failing to make my point. I am not saying that we are "missing" these calls or getting them "wrong. I am saying that this particular play happens so often that we do not even think of it as violating a rule. And to repeat: this is a very easy call to make: You find the pivot fit and if that foot moves before the ball is released on a dribble, you call the violation.

Watching games is not stressful for me. And speaking of watching games, and the game of BB being "fine," one might at least ask about the abysmal state of the NBA. Even CBB attendance and TV ratings are down. Now, of course, I am not suggesting that it's all because of failure to apply the rules. But I do think they game of BB would be much better if there were not 40 uncalled violations in every game.

Ratings for the NBA have been up he past 3-4 years FYI...

I got to completely disagree with your initial post. No one is complaining about what may be a technical travel that has to be caught in slow motion. In fact, I'd say the game is "ruined" when officials start calling plays that are legal, travels...often times because it "looked funny" which happens too much at the high school level.

[drofficial]

Oh well. I guess we aren't gonne be on the same page here. This is not a "guess" or a "play that looks funny" or a play "that is hard to see" or a play "that requires slow motion to see." It happens everywhere all the time, in broad daylight, in regular speed, and it's plain to see. But we simply don't think of it as a violation because it is never called. And if it were, it would change the game of BB--and I belive for the better.

Maybe I will get someone who is tech savvy to help me put together a video.

[APG]

Originally Posted by drofficial

Oh well. I guess we aren't gonne be on the same page here. This is not a "guess" or a "play that looks funny" or a play "that is hard to see" or a play "that requires slow motion to see." It happens everywhere all the time, in broad daylight, in regular speed, and it's plain to see. But we simply don't think of it as a violation because it is never called. And if it were, it would change the game of BB--and I belive for the better.

Maybe I will get someone who is tech savvy to help me put together a video.

Again, no one wants officials to start calling every single technical travel in a game which I'm convinced are some of these plays that you are wanting to see called....same as no one realistically wants 3 seconds called the very second the count hits 3.

[BktBallRef]

The only travel I see consistently ignored is in the low post with the big man's back to the basket. While holding the ball with both feet on the floor, he will step to the middle of the lane or the endline and then complete the move by stepping with the second foot (pivot foot). Traveling.

Shaquille O'Neal got away with it for years and it's trickled down to college and HS.

[Adam]

That one and the two pivot spin move are the ones I get fan grief for calling. More often than not, fans are wanting the whistle when I either can't tell or the player was clearly legal.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

The only travel I see consistently ignored is in the low post with the big man's back to the basket. While holding the ball with both feet on the floor, he will step to the middle of the lane or the endline and then complete the move by stepping with the second foot (pivot foot). Traveling.
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Yep, I would have to agree that this is the travel that is missed most. And the travel that is incorrectly called the most is the one out on the perimeter when something "looks funny".

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Adam

That one and the two pivot spin move are the ones I get fan grief for calling. More often than not, fans are wanting the whistle when I either can't tell or the player was clearly legal.

And let's not forget the catch and two step to the 3 point arc.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Yep, I would have to agree that this is the travel that is missed most. And the travel that is incorrectly called the most is the one out on the perimeter when something "looks funny".

My pet peeve is the travel that is called when the player isn't HOLDING the ball.

[BillyMac]

When asked, many officials point to the block/charge as their most difficult call. Although the "surprise" block/charge is still a difficult call for me, it's the travel, or no travel, call that is, by far, the most difficult call for me. Block/charge is in a distant second place.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

My pet peeve is the travel that is called when the player isn't HOLDING the ball.

Huge pet peeve of mine as well. I hate that call as it clearly does not understand the premise of traveling in the first place, player control.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

The only travel I see consistently ignored is in the low post with the big man's back to the basket. While holding the ball with both feet on the floor, he will step to the middle of the lane or the endline and then complete the move by stepping with the second foot (pivot foot). Traveling.

Shaquille O'Neal got away with it for years and it's trickled down to college and HS.

Though they only got about to actually changing the wording in the rule book around 2008-2009, the move you describe (ball gathered with with foot on the floor, step with the opposite foot, then step again with the other foot) has been legal by interpretation in the NBA during a lot of Shaq's career, if I remember correctly. Definitely a travel at the lower levels.