Traveling

[maven]

Originally Posted by drofficial

Thoughts?

Even granting your dubious premise that this happens all the time, I disagree that your conclusion follows. It's not ruining the game.

You might ask yourself how likely it is that you're right about this and dozens of highly paid professional officials are habitually getting it wrong in every game they work. Everyone misses a call now and then, but you're suggesting much worse.

I would encourage you to appreciate the game at higher levels the way that it's called. It sounds as if watching games is extremely stressful for you, and that's not good for your health.

Just my opinion.

[drofficial]

Thanks for the thoughts. But I am still failing to make my point. I am not saying that we are "missing" these calls or getting them "wrong. I am saying that this particular play happens so often that we do not even think of it as violating a rule. And to repeat: this is a very easy call to make: You find the pivot fit and if that foot moves before the ball is released on a dribble, you call the violation.

Watching games is not stressful for me. And speaking of watching games, and the game of BB being "fine," one might at least ask about the abysmal state of the NBA. Even CBB attendance and TV ratings are down. Now, of course, I am not suggesting that it's all because of failure to apply the rules. But I do think they game of BB would be much better if there were not 40 uncalled violations in every game.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by drofficial

...But I do think they game of BB would be much better if there were not 40 uncalled violations in every game.

I'm assuming you meant to place a smiley face after this sentence.

Personally, when I get a chance to break down a game I see more incorrectly called travels than missed travels.

[drofficial]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm assuming you meant to place a smiley face after this sentence.

No. And 40 would be a conservative number is some games...

Personally, when I get a chance to break down a game I see more incorrectly called travels than missed travels.

Then with all due respect, you are not breaking down the game correctly, at least if we are applying the rule as written

[Adam]

Originally Posted by drofficial

Then with all due respect, you are not breaking down the game correctly, at least if we are applying the rule as written

I'm sorry, but you can't speak for games that anyone here is working. It might just be possible that you're breaking the film down incorrectly rather than everyone else involved in basketball everywhere.

[Adam]

And two weeks into the season I've seen more phantom travels than missed travels

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by drofficial

Then with all due respect, you are not breaking down the game correctly, at least if we are applying the rule as written

You have no idea what experience any one and certainly have no idea what BNR's background is in breaking down tape. That is a rather condescending statement to suggest that your ability is better than others and you even admit you are not tech savvy. Many of us here not only deal with video extensively, we break down video here all the time. And if your suggestion is to call 40 more travels, that makes me really think it would be a nightmare to watch your games. I know I call my share of travels, but no where near 10 I call in just a single game. Calling 40 would be excessive.

Peace

[drofficial]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You have no idea what experience any one and certainly have no idea what BNR's background is in breaking down tape. That is a rather condescending statement to suggest that your ability is better than others and you even admit you are not tech savvy. Many of us here not only deal with video extensively, we break down video here all the time. And if your suggestion is to call 40 more travels, that makes me really think it would be a nightmare to watch your games. I know I call my share of travels, but no where near 10 I call in just a single game. Calling 40 would be excessive.

Peace

Respectfully, you are missing my point. I am not suggesting that we call 40 travels. I am simply making the observation that there are numerous traveling violations each game on this one, easy-to-call rule alone (pivot foot lifted before ball released on dribble). And the setting aside of this rule is compromising the integrity of the great game of BB.

[Adam]

The integrity of the game?

Please.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by drofficial

Respectfully, you are missing my point. I am not suggesting that we call 40 travels. I am simply making the observation that there are numerous traveling violations each game on this one, easy-to-call rule alone (pivot foot lifted before ball released on dribble). And the setting aside of this rule is compromising the integrity of the great game of BB.

I routinely make this call when it occurs. What I don't do is guess if I don't see it clearly.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by drofficial

Respectfully, you are missing my point. I am not suggesting that we call 40 travels. I am simply making the observation that there are numerous traveling violations each game on this one, easy-to-call rule alone (pivot foot lifted before ball released on dribble). And the setting aside of this rule is compromising the integrity of the great game of BB.

NCAA Video Bulletin #3 just came out. Only 1 travelling play. Official incorrectly calls a travel.

John Adams quote: "The cautionary tale here is, unless you are sure it is travelling, it's not

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm assuming you meant to place a smiley face after this sentence.

Personally, when I get a chance to break down a game I see more incorrectly called travels than missed travels.

If JRut is saying that experienced officials are sticking to just calling the obvious travels and you are saying that the travels you see being called are more likely to be incorrect, then would it be safe to conclude that something isn't quite adding up and that there may be a need to go back to the fundamentals of the travelling violation?

I agree with many officials that say that getting the pivot foot is 99% of the battle and getting the pivot truly isn't that difficult to determine....

[APG]

Originally Posted by drofficial

Thanks for the thoughts. But I am still failing to make my point. I am not saying that we are "missing" these calls or getting them "wrong. I am saying that this particular play happens so often that we do not even think of it as violating a rule. And to repeat: this is a very easy call to make: You find the pivot fit and if that foot moves before the ball is released on a dribble, you call the violation.

Watching games is not stressful for me. And speaking of watching games, and the game of BB being "fine," one might at least ask about the abysmal state of the NBA. Even CBB attendance and TV ratings are down. Now, of course, I am not suggesting that it's all because of failure to apply the rules. But I do think they game of BB would be much better if there were not 40 uncalled violations in every game.

Ratings for the NBA have been up he past 3-4 years FYI...

I got to completely disagree with your initial post. No one is complaining about what may be a technical travel that has to be caught in slow motion. In fact, I'd say the game is "ruined" when officials start calling plays that are legal, travels...often times because it "looked funny" which happens too much at the high school level.

[drofficial]

Oh well. I guess we aren't gonne be on the same page here. This is not a "guess" or a "play that looks funny" or a play "that is hard to see" or a play "that requires slow motion to see." It happens everywhere all the time, in broad daylight, in regular speed, and it's plain to see. But we simply don't think of it as a violation because it is never called. And if it were, it would change the game of BB--and I belive for the better.

Maybe I will get someone who is tech savvy to help me put together a video.

[APG]

Originally Posted by drofficial

Oh well. I guess we aren't gonne be on the same page here. This is not a "guess" or a "play that looks funny" or a play "that is hard to see" or a play "that requires slow motion to see." It happens everywhere all the time, in broad daylight, in regular speed, and it's plain to see. But we simply don't think of it as a violation because it is never called. And if it were, it would change the game of BB--and I belive for the better.

Maybe I will get someone who is tech savvy to help me put together a video.

Again, no one wants officials to start calling every single technical travel in a game which I'm convinced are some of these plays that you are wanting to see called....same as no one realistically wants 3 seconds called the very second the count hits 3.