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Old Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:38pm
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Can't "Buy Him In"???

A1 enters game for A2. B1 shoots first of two free throws. Then A2 tries to return to the game to replace A3.

It seems correct that, according to 3-3-4, A2 should not be beckoned onto the court as a player. He's gotta "sit a tick", i.e. not enter until some time has run off the clock--("shall not re-enter before the next opportunity to substitute after the clock has been started properly following his/her replacement")?

In that sitch, is it correct also to say that the coach cannot "buy him in" with a timeout? I know that can't be done with an improper wearing of uniform (3-3-5), but it can be done in an apparent injury situation (3-3-7). I'm trying to find phraseology deeming it either permissible or not permissible in the case of the original sitch.

Any help? Or am I on the right track?
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Old Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:44pm
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Old Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:45pm
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If the clock hasn't started since he subbed out, he can't come back in. How is a timeout any different than between 2 free throws in that scenario?
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Old Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:30pm
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A1 enters game for A2. B1 shoots first of two free throws. Then A2 tries to return to the game to replace A3.

It seems correct that, according to 3-3-4, A2 should not be beckoned onto the court as a player. He's gotta "sit a tick", i.e. not enter until some time has run off the clock--("shall not re-enter before the next opportunity to substitute after the clock has been started properly following his/her replacement")?

In that sitch, is it correct also to say that the coach cannot "buy him in" with a timeout? I know that can't be done with an improper wearing of uniform (3-3-5), but it can be done in an apparent injury situation (3-3-7). I'm trying to find phraseology deeming it either permissible or not permissible in the case of the original sitch.

Any help? Or am I on the right track?
How does A1 come in before B1 shoots his 1st of 2? Shouldn't the sub wait until after the 1st free throw is shot?
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Old Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:33pm
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How does A1 come in before B1 shoots his 1st of 2? Shouldn't the sub wait until after the 1st free throw is shot?
Someone was directed to leave and A1 was already at the table.
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Old Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:49pm
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He's gotta "sit a tick"
.. but he doesn't have to play a tick.
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Old Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:51pm
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How does A1 come in before B1 shoots his 1st of 2? Shouldn't the sub wait until after the 1st free throw is shot?
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Someone was directed to leave and A1 was already at the table.
Or a timeout was called prior to the two shots.

Or the FTs were for a technical foul.

Or A2 was injured.

Or the player who fouled B1 was disqualified (fouled out).

All of these possibilities open the opportunity to sub before the first FT.
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Old Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:27pm
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Or a timeout was called prior to the two shots.

Or the FTs were for a technical foul.

Or A2 was injured.

Or the player who fouled B1 was disqualified (fouled out).

All of these possibilities open the opportunity to sub before the first FT.
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Old Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:21pm
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.. but he doesn't have to play a tick.

He may want to scratch a tick though.

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Old Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:28pm
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He may want to scratch a tick though.
... this he says to a guy who lives in a state where they "discovered" Lyme Disease (Lyme, Connecticut). Here in the Constitution State we don't take kindly to people joking about ticks.
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Old Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:34pm
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I know that can't be done with an improper wearing of uniform (3-3-5), but it can be done in an apparent injury situation (3-3-7).
No, it can't, not after A1 enters the game for A2, as you stated in the OP.
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Old Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:36pm
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How does A1 come in before B1 shoots his 1st of 2? Shouldn't the sub wait until after the 1st free throw is shot?
Not what was stated in the OP.
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Old Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:23pm
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A1 enters game for A2. B1 shoots first of two free throws.

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How does A1 come in before B1 shoots his 1st of 2? Shouldn't the sub wait until after the 1st free throw is shot?


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Not what was stated in the OP.

How is this not the same?
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