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Freddy Mon Nov 12, 2012 01:38pm

Can't "Buy Him In"???
 
A1 enters game for A2. B1 shoots first of two free throws. Then A2 tries to return to the game to replace A3.

It seems correct that, according to 3-3-4, A2 should not be beckoned onto the court as a player. He's gotta "sit a tick", i.e. not enter until some time has run off the clock--("shall not re-enter before the next opportunity to substitute after the clock has been started properly following his/her replacement")?

In that sitch, is it correct also to say that the coach cannot "buy him in" with a timeout? I know that can't be done with an improper wearing of uniform (3-3-5), but it can be done in an apparent injury situation (3-3-7). I'm trying to find phraseology deeming it either permissible or not permissible in the case of the original sitch.

Any help? Or am I on the right track?

bob jenkins Mon Nov 12, 2012 01:44pm

Not allowed.

Smitty Mon Nov 12, 2012 01:45pm

If the clock hasn't started since he subbed out, he can't come back in. How is a timeout any different than between 2 free throws in that scenario?

jeremy341a Mon Nov 12, 2012 02:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 861780)
A1 enters game for A2. B1 shoots first of two free throws. Then A2 tries to return to the game to replace A3.

It seems correct that, according to 3-3-4, A2 should not be beckoned onto the court as a player. He's gotta "sit a tick", i.e. not enter until some time has run off the clock--("shall not re-enter before the next opportunity to substitute after the clock has been started properly following his/her replacement")?

In that sitch, is it correct also to say that the coach cannot "buy him in" with a timeout? I know that can't be done with an improper wearing of uniform (3-3-5), but it can be done in an apparent injury situation (3-3-7). I'm trying to find phraseology deeming it either permissible or not permissible in the case of the original sitch.

Any help? Or am I on the right track?

How does A1 come in before B1 shoots his 1st of 2? Shouldn't the sub wait until after the 1st free throw is shot?

bob jenkins Mon Nov 12, 2012 02:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeremy341a (Post 861796)
How does A1 come in before B1 shoots his 1st of 2? Shouldn't the sub wait until after the 1st free throw is shot?

Someone was directed to leave and A1 was already at the table.

BillyMac Mon Nov 12, 2012 02:49pm

Reminder To Newbies ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 861780)
He's gotta "sit a tick"

.. but he doesn't have to play a tick.

Camron Rust Mon Nov 12, 2012 02:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeremy341a (Post 861796)
How does A1 come in before B1 shoots his 1st of 2? Shouldn't the sub wait until after the 1st free throw is shot?

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 861797)
Someone was directed to leave and A1 was already at the table.

Or a timeout was called prior to the two shots.

Or the FTs were for a technical foul.

Or A2 was injured.

Or the player who fouled B1 was disqualified (fouled out).

All of these possibilities open the opportunity to sub before the first FT.

jeremy341a Mon Nov 12, 2012 03:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 861802)
Or a timeout was called prior to the two shots.

Or the FTs were for a technical foul.

Or A2 was injured.

Or the player who fouled B1 was disqualified (fouled out).

All of these possibilities open the opportunity to sub before the first FT.

Thanks!

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Nov 12, 2012 05:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 861801)
.. but he doesn't have to play a tick.


He may want to scratch a tick though.

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac Mon Nov 12, 2012 07:28pm

That's Why It's Called Lyme Disease ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 861824)
He may want to scratch a tick though.

... this he says to a guy who lives in a state where they "discovered" Lyme Disease (Lyme, Connecticut). Here in the Constitution State we don't take kindly to people joking about ticks.

BktBallRef Mon Nov 12, 2012 07:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 861780)
I know that can't be done with an improper wearing of uniform (3-3-5), but it can be done in an apparent injury situation (3-3-7).

No, it can't, not after A1 enters the game for A2, as you stated in the OP.

KJUmp Mon Nov 12, 2012 07:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeremy341a (Post 861796)
How does A1 come in before B1 shoots his 1st of 2? Shouldn't the sub wait until after the 1st free throw is shot?

Not what was stated in the OP.

jeremy341a Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 861780)
A1 enters game for A2. B1 shoots first of two free throws.


Quote:

Originally Posted by jeremy341a (Post 861796)
How does A1 come in before B1 shoots his 1st of 2? Shouldn't the sub wait until after the 1st free throw is shot?



Quote:

Originally Posted by KJUmp (Post 861840)
Not what was stated in the OP.


How is this not the same?


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