Steps on Layup

[APG]

Originally Posted by hoopguy

I know others are going to vehemently disagree with this but try finding and posting video of a situation where the player picks up his dribble with neither foot on the ground.

And I'm one of them...to say that it never happens in basketball is...well wrong IMO. You can see it happen during layups where the player is attempting it on the run. Also seen it plenty of times during jump stops.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by APG

To say that it never happens in basketball is, well wrong. You can see it happen layups where the player is attempting it on the run. Also seen it plenty of times during jump stops.

... especially in younger players when they try to shoot with their weak hand on the weak side, or even worse, when they shoot with their strong hand on the weak side. It usually looks really odd, but odd isn't always a traveling violation.

[just another ref]

Never say never, but I say that it is quite rare for a player to catch the ball ending a dribble with both feet off the ground. With the benefit of slow motion, I think a large majority of layups could be called a travel, but it is generally difficult to impossible to pinpoint the exact location of the feet when the dribble is ended, so, when in doubt,

let it go.

Having said that, tune in any college game, and you will see moves to the basket involving a spin or whatever, which are impossible to perform legally, yet go uncalled, I assume by design.

"If they're not gonna call it, they should change the rule." **

**Bob Knight

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It is generally difficult to impossible to pinpoint the exact location of the feet when the dribble is ended, so, when in doubt, let it go.

Bingo.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Having said that, tune in any college game, and you will see moves to the basket involving a spin or whatever, which are impossible to perform legally, yet go uncalled, I assume by design.

I wouldn't make that assumption.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Never say never, but I say that it is quite rare for a player to catch the ball ending a dribble with both feet off the ground. With the benefit of slow motion, I think a large majority of layups could be called a travel

I couldn't disagree more.

[legend]

the best way for anyone to get experience with what may or may not be a travel should work Jr Hi. girls games. Not being sexist here, they just don't seem to devolpe their coordination as quickly as boys do. You will see proably all of the examples already discussed in this thread. It definatly helps you get a grasp on what your looking for.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by legend

work Jr Hi. girls games.

... and praise the Lord that that NFHS came up with the alternating possession arrow, and did away with almost all jump balls. I think that the NFHS did it just because of middle school girls games.

[legend]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... and praise the Lord that that NFHS came up with the alternating possession arrow, and did away with almost all jump balls. I think that the NFHS did it just because of middle school girls games.

AMEN..Ha Ha Sounds like you also have done a few of these!

[dsqrddgd909]

I have a girls middle school double header tonight. I'll try to post an estimate tomorrow of how many APs we had.

[legend]

Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909

I have a girls middle school double header tonight. I'll try to post an estimate tomorrow of how many APs we had.

I got the over / under at 15... I'll take the over in a double header.

[dsqrddgd909]

Originally Posted by legend

I got the over / under at 15... I'll take the over in a double header.

How much do I owe you? Girls A - first game = 4. Girls B - second game =20. Total 24.

[Altor]

Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909

How much do I owe you? Girls A - first game = 4. Girls B - second game =20. Total 24.

You call entirely too many simultaneous goal tending/basket interference violations.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Altor

You call entirely too many simultaneous goal tending/basket interference violations.

+1

Nice job of bringing it back on topic.

[legend]

True story...I was working a jr. hi. girls game with a 2nd (or 3rd yr) ref. At the time I was around the 10 yr. mark so he ask me if he can be the "R" for the 2 games. I say sure, great time to learn pre-game routine etc. So we decide to meet with coaches and captians and he starts off good, talking about sportsmanship and the neccessary issues, then he starts to go through a long diatribe covering points of emphasis and sure enough he covers goal tending / basket interference. BOTH coaches laugh and I try my best to get through the rest of his meeting with them. Great times!