Basketball Fight

[JetMetFan]

Joining the party late...

DQs to the main participants, the two Red players who came off the bench AND two of the Red coaches who came onto the court (I don't care why they came on, they're not supposed to unless we ask them and there's no way I want more people involved). I'm reserving judgment on the White bench's involvement because we can't see it. However, we can see at least four people running from that direction so there's a good chance White will have some bench personnel DQed because they left they bench area.

I'd have to speak with my partners about the status of the two White players who jumped on the pile.

As for the officials, the new T needed to get in there faster. If he does, maybe it doesn't escalate to bench-clearing level.

The new C needed to stay by the benches at the division line - as opposed to drifting down to the end line. If he does, there's a good chance the "drifters" from the bench area never make it onto the court. Obviously since this isn't a college game there's no benefit of replay but if he's there he can let his partners know who left what bench. He can also shout at the non-players to stay where they are once things break out.

[APG]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Joining the party late...

DQs to the main participants, the two Red players who came off the bench AND two of the Red coaches who came onto the court (I don't care why they came on, they're not supposed to unless we ask them and there's no way I want more people involved).

I know you would be correct by rule (at least if you're claiming that you didn't beckon the head coach and that only the head coach can come out rather than ACs as well...by rule), but I think it would be a terrible choice to DQ coaches who come in to act as peacemakers during a (potential) player altercation.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by APG

I think it would be a terrible choice to DQ coaches who come in to act as peacemakers during a (potential) player altercation.

Same philosophy here in my little corner of Connecticut. Our local interpreter has told us that if the coaches are helping to control the fight, then they were beckoned, even if they weren't, if you know what I mean, and I'm sure that you do.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Same philosophy here in my little corner of Connecticut. Our local interpreter has told us that if the coaches are helping to control the fight, then they were beckoned, even if they weren't, if you know what I mean, and I'm sure that you do.

Agree.

[APG]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Same philosophy here in my little corner of Connecticut. Our local interpreter has told us that if the coaches are helping to control the fight, then they were beckoned, even if they weren't, if you know what I mean, and I'm sure that you do.

Well I'm not sure if he's DQing for the fact that he didn't beckon the coach or the fact that an AC also came onto the court. In any particular player altercation, coaches are always retroactively beckoned in my games. I'm also not going to DQ an AC that comes onto the court to act as a peacemaker or steps out onto the court to help prevent players from the bench from entering the court.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Same philosophy here in my little corner of Connecticut. Our local interpreter has told us that if the coaches are helping to control the fight, then they were beckoned, even if they weren't, if you know what I mean, and I'm sure that you do.

What I was taught is we have no idea why they're coming onto the court so we deal with it accordingly. Knowing my assignors I'm sure I'd have their support as soon as I put the words "head coach from team xxx entered the court during the incident" on a report.

I had a situation similar to this one about 3-4 years ago and no one from either coaching staff set foot on the court. One thing that helped, I think, is when things broke out I was table-side so I was able to turn and yell for everyone to stay where they were. Two members of the home team bench - non-coaches - didn't listen and they got tossed.

[APG]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

What I was taught is we have no idea why they're coming onto the court so we deal with it accordingly. Knowing my assignors I'm sure I'd have their support as soon as I put the words "head coach from team xxx entered the court during the incident" on a report.

That line of thinking seems backwards to me. They're adults, and I'm going to assume they're going to act like adults and are coming onto the court to act as peacemakers...coaches and assistants alike until proven otherwise.

I know anyone I've ever worked for, if I simply put I ejected a coach for entering the court during an altercation, the first thing they'd ask is "what did the coach do?" If I followed up with anything but something unsporting, I'd have a very PO'd assignor.

But hey, if that's how your bosses want this handled, when in Rome...

[Adam]

99% of the time when a coach comes out in this situation, he comes out to help. So unless he proves otherwise, I'm assuming that's what he's doing. The exceptions will be dealt with accordingly, plus will likely end up on YouTube.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

(I don't care why they came on, they're not supposed to unless we ask them and there's no way I want more people involved).

You're in a huge minority with that stance and would probably give in hot water with every supervisor and assignor that I know.

Coaches control player, not officials. If someone needs to be pulling a player away from a fight, it's that player's coach.

As long as he enters the floor and doesn't make the situation worse, then he's had a positive influence and shouldn't be penalized.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

As long as he enters the floor and doesn't make the situation worse, then he's had a positive influence and shouldn't be penalized.

If the coach is helping to break things up, then he WAS beckoned onto the court -- even if I don't remember doing it.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

If the coach is helping to break things up, then he WAS beckoned onto the court -- even if I don't remember doing it.

For that matter, as long as they are not part of the problem, they were beckoned....even if they were just standing there observing ready to help if we need them.

[Kelvin green]

It is interesting to note that the one lady in the white shirt that was breaking up the fight sent the girls away and you see them walking alone away from the floor... So in the end the team either needs to go get them or send an adult to be with them...