Blood and free throws

[JeroenB]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

I like the FIBA signal for disqualification. Think of a made three only keep your arms bent a bit and fists closed. \0/

Or as one of my partners likes to say its the "Yes, he's outta here signal."

I always wondered why HS/College basketball officials don't have an ejection/disqualification signal like FIBA refs do. Seems to me that you want it to be clear for everyone when you're tossing someone, right?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JeroenB

I always wondered why HS/College basketball officials don't have an ejection/disqualification signal like FIBA refs do. Seems to me that you want it to be clear for everyone when you're tossing someone, right?

IIRC< FIBA mechanics are based on the idea that the participants may be speaking different languages and that everything needs a signal. It is possible that the referee doesn't speak the same language as anyone else.

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

IIRC< FIBA mechanics are based on the idea that the participants may be speaking different languages and that everything needs a signal. It is possible that the referee doesn't speak the same language as anyone else.

Actually English is the official language of FIBA. I believe every team must have an english speaking member. All Officials speak english, some just don't have the best grasp of it.

Correction. There are five official languages in FIBA, but English is the language used during the Technical Meetings. Other languages are French, Spanish, Russian and German.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

Actually English is the official language of FIBA. I believe every team must have an english speaking member. All Officials speak english, some just don't have the best grasp of it.

Correction. There are five official languages in FIBA, but English is the language used during the Technical Meetings. Other languages are French, Spanish, Russian and German.

I doubt there is a language requirement for team members. Even if it were as you say, you wouldn't want to delay the game to get that one player to translate information for the rest of the team. You want a signal for pretty much everything that happens....not just the most common stuff.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

There are five official languages in FIBA, (English) French, Spanish, Russian and German.

About a million years ago, three languages were offered to us as incoming junior high school students, French, Spanish, and Latin.

We were advised that the best choice would be French. It was one of the official languages of the United Nations, it was one of the official languages of the Olympics, and it was spoken by our Canadian neighbors a few hundred miles to the north. Sure sounded convincing to me, and to my parents.

I've used my French exactly once, on a side trip to the south of France during a trip to the Costa Brava region of Spain.

It would have been much more useful if I had taken Spanish. Spanish has got to be the second most spoken language in the United States, certainly in Connecticut.

Well, at least I can understand Pepé Le Pew, if that's any consolation.

Way back then, in addition to French, I also took three other subjects, huntin', gruntin' and cave-painting. I got an A+ in gruntin'.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JeroenB

I always wondered why HS/College basketball officials don't have an ejection/disqualification signal like FIBA refs do. Seems to me that you want it to be clear for everyone when you're tossing someone, right?

I don't think it's necessary. The only people I care about are the coaches and the table in this instance.

I like the X because it lets the coaches know you're on top of it, which is good in an escalated situation. You can then tell them at the table (and I would likely pull both coaches in so I don't have to say it twice) that little Mr. Lydell has been DQd.

[JetMetFan]

In the NCAA using the Flagrant 1 signal (arms crossed over the head) could work in this situation since you can always upgrade a Flagrant 1 to a Flagrant 2.

In NFHS - IMO - I think giving the Flagrant signal would create confusion for all involved, especially for the coach who is losing a player. A very loud "Flagrant on #XX Red!" at the spot should do the job and just repeat it while administering the foul.

As far as the shooter is concerned, Team A has a short menu (NFHS 3-3/NCAA 3-4):
*Put in a sub for A1
*Call time out and deal with the blood. If A1 is ready to play at the end of the time out he/she can shoot the FTs.

Under NFHS rules Team A would have to call time out before the replacement interval (i.e., 20 secs to sub) begins. Under NCAA rules Team A can call time out after the replacement interval ends.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

In the NCAA using the Flagrant 1 signal (arms crossed over the head) could work in this situation since you can always upgrade a Flagrant 1 to a Flagrant 2.

In NFHS - IMO - I think giving the Flagrant signal would create confusion for all involved, especially for the coach who is losing a player. A very loud "Flagrant on #XX Red!" at the spot should do the job and just repeat it while administering the foul.

As far as the shooter is concerned, Team A has a short menu (NFHS 3-3/NCAA 3-4):
*Put in a sub for A1
*Call time out and deal with the blood. If A1 is ready to play at the end of the time out he/she can shoot the FTs.

Under NFHS rules Team A would have to call time out before the replacement interval (i.e., 20 secs to sub) begins. Under NCAA rules Team A can call time out after the replacement interval ends.

What confusion? For using the Intentional Foul signal? Color me skeptical.

As for what to do with the shooter. I agree, but I'm giving the coach a bit of leeway here, and I can't imagine ever needing to use the 20 second interval on this.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Adam

What confusion? For using the Intentional Foul signal? Color me skeptical.

As for what to do with the shooter. I agree, but I'm giving the coach a bit of leeway here, and I can't imagine ever needing to use the 20 second interval on this.

Confusion because if that coach seen intentional then you tell him/her the player was tossed they're most likely going to say "But you called it intentional!"

As for the shooter, what happens if you're lucky enough that Team B's coach is aware of the blood substitution procedure for that situation? I'm not saying run A1 off the court but what's the definition of "leeway"?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Confusion because if that coach seen intentional then you tell him/her the player was tossed they're most likely going to say "But you called it intentional!"

As for the shooter, what happens if you're lucky enough that Team B's coach is aware of the blood substitution procedure for that situation? I'm not saying run A1 off the court but what's the definition of "leeway"?

Regarding the confusion; I don't think he'd be too confused. If he questions it, I'll just say, "Nope, I *signaled* intentional, but I called flagrant.

As for whether the B coach wants to question how much time I've given to A1 to get the blood taken care of, I really don't care what he thinks. His player caused the situation.

By "leeway," I'm not talking about giving him three minutes, but if they can take care of it while I'm reporting the foul and confirming with the table the foul count and checking on the score and ask the scorer where he got his shiny new shirt and (I think you get the point), I'm not going to make them burn a TO.

[Rich]

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