When FC/BC status begins

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

4.15 comment: "A player is not dribbling.......when he/she bats.......a pass away from other players......"

Isn't this exactly what happens in the OP?

Not necessarily. Think of the whether you'd consider the first bounce a dribble if she proceeded to pick it up after one bounce. If not, then you're right. If yes, then PC starts on the bat.

[Zoochy]

Team A has the ball. Team B bats the ball loose. The ball is being pin-balled. B1 bats the ball in the similar manner from the original post. The ball hits the ground and B1 gets fouled.
If Team B is in the bonus, does B1 shoot free throws?
Same question. When does Team/Player control start?
I had that play occur in my game last year. I immediately asked the Official that blew the whistle if B1 had control? His response was, "She got fouled, we are shooting free throws." I don't think he had a clue why I asked him the question. Also, he never wanted to discuss the play after the game ended.

I don't think PC was established in either situation.

[Toren]

9-9-3?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Toren

9-9-3?

Nobody had both feet off the floor in the discussion at hand.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Not necessarily. Think of the whether you'd consider the first bounce a dribble if she proceeded to pick it up after one bounce. If not, then you're right. If yes, then PC starts on the bat.

Often a single bat followed by a catch does not equal a dribble even when it was a pass from a teammate. I don't think I've ever seen a single bat on a steal which I considered control.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Often a single bat followed by a catch does not equal a dribble even when it was a pass from a teammate. I don't think I've ever seen a single bat on a steal which I considered control.

Often, but not always. And I have seen plenty of initial bats that are clearly the start of a dribble, some even the start of team control.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Often, but not always. And I have seen plenty of initial bats that are clearly the start of a dribble, some even the start of team control.

Some? If it's the start of a dribble, then it must be both player control, and team control.

4-12-1: A player is in control of the ball when he/she is holding or dribbling a live ball.

4-12-2-A: A team is in control of the ball: When a player of the team is in control.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Some? If it's the start of a dribble, then it must be both player control, and team control.

4-12-1: A player is in control of the ball when he/she is holding or dribbling a live ball.

4-12-2-A: A team is in control of the ball: When a player of the team is in control.

My point was they all start player control, but some start team control with a bat (defensive play, or an initial dribble off of a throw in pass.