Throw in spot

[dbking]

Play - A1 has the ball for throw in on the end line. He passes the ball up court to A2. A2 has one foot at the division line in bounds and the other foot out of bounds. Where is the throw in spot for the violation. Rule reference please.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by dbking

Play - A1 has the ball for throw in on the end line. He passes the ball up court to A2. A2 has one foot at the division line in bounds and the other foot out of bounds. Where is the throw in spot for the violation. Rule reference please.

Where he stepped OOB....don't have my book with me, but look up OOB violations. The spot is where the ball goes OOB by touching the player who is OOB. Oh, perhaps you wanted to relate it to a throwin violation......doesn't work because the throwin in only required to legally touch or be legally touched by a player inbounds OR out of bounds. The key is to understand that being legally touched is not referring to the location of the touch, just the manner of the touch. A "kick" is not a legal touch while catching it is. But then, the player is OOB and has violated that rule.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by dbking

A1 has the ball for throw in on the end line. He passes the ball up court to A2. A2 has one foot at the division line in bounds and the other foot out of bounds. Where is the throw in spot for the violation.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Where hey stepped OOB. The spot is where the ball goes OOB by touching the player who is OOB. Oh, perhaps you wanted to relate it to a throwin violation, doesn't work because the throwin in only required to legally touch or be legally touched by a player inbounds or out of bounds.

The Forum gets a few questions regarding this situation every year. Why is there confusion on such a simple call? Because there are a few officials, coaches, and fans, that remember the old NFHS rule from the mid 1980's that had this as a throwin violation. Under this ancient rule, if thrower C1 "passes" the ball to "catcher" D1, who is out of bounds, it was a throwin violation on C1, and Team D would have gotten the ball for a throwin at the original spot. Questions like this will continue until all of us "old timers" go to the big jump ball circle in the sky.

Speaking of "old timers". I'm sure that Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. will be moseying along shortly to confirm my ancient interpretation.

[dbking]

because a round of beer rides on the answer!

[DrPete]

Camron confirmed that a kick is not a legal touch. So if the ball was first kicked by the defense during the throw in, technically the throw in did not end, so what happens next? and where? (If the offense commits a violation during a throw in, the throw in does end.)
If this was an AP throw in, does the arrow stay the same? I know a kicked ball on a throw in is unusual, but it can happen when a defender is closely guarding the thrower.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DrPete

Camron confirmed that a kick is not a legal touch. So if the ball was first kicked by the defense during the throw in, technically the throw in did not end, so what happens next? and where? (If the offense commits a violation during a throw in, the throw in does end.)
If this was an AP throw in, does the arrow stay the same? I know a kicked ball on a throw in is unusual, but it can happen when a defender is closely guarding the thrower.

If the first touch of an AP throw-in is a defensive kick, then the arrow will stay with team A as the ensuing throw-in is for the violation, not the AP. The throw-in spot will be at the spot out of bounds nearest where B kicked it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by DrPete

Camron confirmed that a kick is not a legal touch. So if the ball was first kicked by the defense during the throw in, technically the throw in did not end, so what happens next? and where? (If the offense commits a violation during a throw in, the throw in does end.)
If this was an AP throw in, does the arrow stay the same? I know a kicked ball on a throw in is unusual, but it can happen when a defender is closely guarding the thrower.

Why would you think that the arrow would change if the defense committed a kick-ball violation?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by dbking

Play - A1 has the ball for throw in on the end line. He passes the ball up court to A2. A2 has one foot at the division line in bounds and the other foot out of bounds. Where is the throw in spot for the violation. Rule reference please.

2007-08 Basketball Rules Interpretations

Publisher's Note: The National Federation of State High School Associations is the only source of official high school interpretations. They do not set aside nor modify any rule. They are made and published by the NFHS in response to situations presented.
Robert F. Kanaby, Publisher, NFHS Publications 2007


SITUATION 3: During an alternating-possession throw-in for Team A, thrower A1 passes the ball directly on the court where it contacts (a) A2 or (b) B2, while he/she is standing on a boundary line. RULING: Out-of-bounds violation on (a) A2; (b) B2. The player was touched by the ball while out of bounds, thereby ending the throw-in. The alternating-possession arrow is reversed and pointed toward Team B's basket when the throw-in ends (when A2/B2 is touched by the ball). A throw-in is awarded at a spot nearest the out-of-bounds violation for (a) Team B; (b) Team A. (4-42-5; 6-4-4; 9-2-2; 9-3-2)

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