Use of or lack of use of voice.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well we do not tell them this at all. So if that is the case they did not hear that from me or the people I work with in any way, shape or form. And I am talking about on the court, not when the clinicians or assignors are talking to them.

Peace

I'm talking about in general. Every camp I've ever been to, it was pretty much understood that "you have two ears and one mouth...use them in that ratio". Of course, these were instructional camps, not college exposure camps. As such, that doesn't really create an environmemt that encourages any individual participant to want to get real vocal anywhwere. Just my impression.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

I'm talking about in general. Every camp I've ever been to, it was pretty much understood that "you have two ears and one mouth...use them in that ratio". Of course, these were instructional camps, not college exposure camps.

I cannot speak for every camp and certainly cannot speak for every camp in this area, but usually we do not tell anyone that sort of thing. I really cannot even think of any college camps that says that kind of thing either. Of course when you have a camper or two that tend to "ya but" clinicians or not listen to them or interrupt them when talking to several campers at once, then yes I can see that being the case. But not the case in the situations I am talking about. And I am talking about what they are doing on the court, not communicating in a teaching session between games or during a timeout. I am strictly talking about why an officials seems to have a problem communicating basic stuff with their voice like where the ball is out of bounds after a stop clock, communicating that a sub cannot come into the game or instead of a basket counting they have a team control foul. Just kind of taken confused why even veterans do not do this even in situations that they know them not speaking up can be a problem.

Peace

[stripes]

As an evaluator at several camps each summer, I probably tell officials to use their voice more at least 95% of the time. Totally agree with Jeff's original post.

[legend]

Personally I find that being vocal in the first 2 min. or so of the game allows for alot less whistles through the course of the game. Expecially as L with the post play. Your voice helps set the tone and it helps to remind the players that we're there and were aware of whats going on.
That being said I sometimes see just the opposite, guys being too vocal. In the 3rd and 4th qtr talking about the same things they were talking about in the 1st. At some point they need to bang the kid so he realizes that the offensive action needs to stop.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by legend

Personally I find that being vocal in the first 2 min. or so of the game allows for alot less whistles through the course of the game. Expecially as L with the post play. Your voice helps set the tone and it helps to remind the players that we're there and were aware of whats going on.
That being said I sometimes see just the opposite, guys being too vocal. In the 3rd and 4th qtr talking about the same things they were talking about in the 1st. At some point they need to bang the kid so he realizes that the offensive action needs to stop.

I am not referring to talking to kids or players to prevent fouls. I am talking about talking to partners to tell them what you just called or where to put the ball on a foul or violation. Even something has simple as using voice when reporting the foul. You are talking about something totally different than what I was referring to.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not referring to talking to kids or players to prevent fouls. I am talking about talking to partners to tell them what you just called or where to put the ball on a foul or violation. Even something has simple as using voice when reporting the foul. You are talking about something totally different than what I was referring to.

Peace

Definitely something I see with newer officials; normally accompanied by a soft whistle and fuzzy signals. Occasionally, a veteran will forget to let me know if we're doing FTs or a throw in, however.

[legend]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not referring to talking to kids or players to prevent fouls. I am talking about talking to partners to tell them what you just called or where to put the ball on a foul or violation. Even something has simple as using voice when reporting the foul. You are talking about something totally different than what I was referring to.

Peace

Oh ok. Sorry I must have misread the op. I find alot of newer guys struggle with communication. Thats something that I try to stress in the pre-game. Spot for throwins, shooting or floor foul, number of shooter, number of shots. All important things that guys should communicate about all game long.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by legend

Oh ok. Sorry I must have misread the op. I find alot of newer guys struggle with communication. Thats something that I try to stress in the pre-game. Spot for throwins, shooting or floor foul, number of shooter, number of shots. All important things that guys should communicate about all game long.

No, I could have been more specific. I can see how you would be thinking one thing and I am thinking something else. Either way I just see a lot of officials that do not say anything when their voice would be welcomed or necessary.

Peace

[stripes]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not referring to talking to kids or players to prevent fouls. I am talking about talking to partners to tell them what you just called or where to put the ball on a foul or violation. Even something has simple as using voice when reporting the foul. You are talking about something totally different than what I was referring to.

Peace

+1. This is what I was talking about. Voice during dead balls is SOOOO underutilized.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not referring to talking to kids or players to prevent fouls. I am talking about talking to partners to tell them what you just called or where to put the ball on a foul or violation. Even something has simple as using voice when reporting the foul. You are talking about something totally different than what I was referring to.

Peace

Originally Posted by stripes

+1. This is what I was talking about. Voice during dead balls is SOOOO underutilized.

Agree as well.

There are so many different types of talking....to partners, coaches, players. This type is too often underused.

Had partner last night, who is a fantastic official in every regard, not use his voice a time or two. It was summer league and some things were a bit casual (e.g., no need to do a full report since they were not tracking player fouls). But, on a couple of occasions, I had no idea what kind of FTs I was to be administering...1+1 (not shooting) or 2 (shooting)....the play was such that it could have been either one. I had to ask him what we had. Even if it seems obvious to you, your partners may or may not know all that they need to know about what you had...better to overdo it rather than put your partners in a bind.

[Raymond]

It wouldn't surprise me if that were a common problem (lack of voice). My voice is one of things that has been a positive in my career and I get complimented on consistently.

[Toren]

What kind of talking is useful?

At camp I generally talk a lot more than I do in a normal game.

Although in a normal game, I usually try to talk people out of the lane with a whistle in my mouth I yell "lane, lane". If I'm the non-calling official I get players lined up so when my partner returns to his spot we are ready to shoot free throws. If we have a trouble player, I communicate that loudly to my partner/s

In camp, I also add the occasional, "good call" to my partner. But this feels forced to me.

But since I get the same feedback, "try to use your voice more", I know I gotta continue to do more. But when else is an appropriate time to talk more?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Toren

What kind of talking is useful?

At camp I generally talk a lot more than I do in a normal game.

Although in a normal game, I usually try to talk people out of the lane with a whistle in my mouth I yell "lane, lane". If I'm the non-calling official I get players lined up so when my partner returns to his spot we are ready to shoot free throws. If we have a trouble player, I communicate that loudly to my partner/s

In camp, I also add the occasional, "good call" to my partner. But this feels forced to me.

But since I get the same feedback, "try to use your voice more", I know I gotta continue to do more. But when else is an appropriate time to talk more?

When a player is on the border of doing something they don't need to do and it doesn't need a foul....No-hands (usually on the perimeter), Straight up (rebounding, post play), etc.

When a player helps someone up displaying good sportsmanship...thanks, nice job.

When they get the ball for you on a dead ball...thank you.

When they're pushing the limits on entering the lane to rebound a FT....guys, wait til it hits (in addition to the "normal 1 shot").

You can't talk the whole game with this sort of stuff but if you let the players hear you and let them know you're paying attention, it can do two things. 1...it can keep them from committing a cheap foul. 2....it lets them know you're watching and, if they're the "victim", it keeps them from getting frustrated wondering if you're blind....helping control the game.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Toren

I also add the occasional, "good call" to my partner.

So when your partner makes a call, and this is one of those occasional times when you don't say "good call" to your partner, and the coach disagrees with your partner's call, and then the coach, who has heard you say "good call" to your partner a few times earlier in the game, notes that you haven't said "good call" to your partner on this particular controversial call ...

Do you see where this bedtime story is going? I'll give you a hint. They all don't live happily ever after.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So when your partner makes a call, and this is one of those occasional times when you don't say "good call" to your partner, and the coach disagrees with your partner's call, and then the coach, who has heard you say "good call" to your partner a few times earlier in the game, notes that you haven't said "good call" to your partner on this particular controversial call ...

Do you see where this bedtime story is going? I'll give you a hint. They all don't live happily ever after.

I'm not worry about the bedtime story. My partner makes a tough call and he starts getting flak then there is a good chance he'll get a "Good Call!" from me so that the chirper hears it.