Use of or lack of use of voice.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by legend

Oh ok. Sorry I must have misread the op. I find alot of newer guys struggle with communication. Thats something that I try to stress in the pre-game. Spot for throwins, shooting or floor foul, number of shooter, number of shots. All important things that guys should communicate about all game long.

No, I could have been more specific. I can see how you would be thinking one thing and I am thinking something else. Either way I just see a lot of officials that do not say anything when their voice would be welcomed or necessary.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Toren

I also add the occasional, "good call" to my partner.

So when your partner makes a call, and this is one of those occasional times when you don't say "good call" to your partner, and the coach disagrees with your partner's call, and then the coach, who has heard you say "good call" to your partner a few times earlier in the game, notes that you haven't said "good call" to your partner on this particular controversial call ...

Do you see where this bedtime story is going? I'll give you a hint. They all don't live happily ever after.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So when your partner makes a call, and this is one of those occasional times when you don't say "good call" to your partner, and the coach disagrees with your partner's call, and then the coach, who has heard you say "good call" to your partner a few times earlier in the game, notes that you haven't said "good call" to your partner on this particular controversial call ...

Do you see where this bedtime story is going? I'll give you a hint. They all don't live happily ever after.

I'm not worry about the bedtime story. My partner makes a tough call and he starts getting flak then there is a good chance he'll get a "Good Call!" from me so that the chirper hears it.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So when your partner makes a call, and this is one of those occasional times when you don't say "good call" to your partner, and the coach disagrees with your partner's call, and then the coach, who has heard you say "good call" to your partner a few times earlier in the game, notes that you haven't said "good call" to your partner on this particular controversial call ...

Do you see where this bedtime story is going? I'll give you a hint. They all don't live happily ever after.

I agree. I don't say it for those very reasons.

The only time I might do that is with a very junior partner who needs the vote of confidence....and it shouldn't be frequent.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So when your partner makes a call, and this is one of those occasional times when you don't say "good call" to your partner, and the coach disagrees with your partner's call, and then the coach, who has heard you say "good call" to your partner a few times earlier in the game, notes that you haven't said "good call" to your partner on this particular controversial call ...

Do you see where this bedtime story is going? I'll give you a hint. They all don't live happily ever after.

That's pretty ridiculous...toren says he gives "an occasional" good call comment, and you decide he is doing it all the time, except for once and that gives the coach ammunition. Ridiculous...

And for you and Camron - are there other things you are afraid to do or say on the court because of what a coach might think or say?

Like BNR said - you make an awesome call on the court with me, I will tell you it was an awesome call.

And to get back to Jeff's original post...I find that using or not using voice is quite often a matter of comfort level on the court. As the official gets more confident and comfortable on the court, they will begin using their voice more - which will lead to more confidence and more comfort.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So when your partner makes a call, and this is one of those occasional times when you don't say "good call" to your partner, and the coach disagrees with your partner's call, and then the coach, who has heard you say "good call" to your partner a few times earlier in the game, notes that you haven't said "good call" to your partner on this particular controversial call ...

Do you see where this bedtime story is going? I'll give you a hint. They all don't live happily ever after.

Honestly, I could give a damn what a coach things if I say this. I will say good call as well and say it when I think the call is really a tough or disputed call. If a coach wants to make something out of me not saying it later, that is their problem. The only reason I say it is when I see the action or have an idea what was called. I also say it no matter if the coach hears me or not. I think people are too worried about what a coach thinks at the end of the day.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

And for you and Camron - are there other things you are afraid to do or say on the court because of what a coach might think or say?

Not at all. I say things all the time they don't like and that I know they will not like. I just see no benefit in telling a partner "good call" and only see it as an opportunity to cause unnecessary trouble. Why invite trouble?

I also see it as a bit demeaning to my partner to give my approval of his/her calls on the court. I trust that they know it was a good call. If I have something to say to them about it, it will usually be in the locker room.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not at all. I say things all the time they don't like and that I know they will not like. I just see no benefit in telling a partner "good call" and only see it as an opportunity to cause unnecessary trouble. Why invite trouble?

I would take issue that it invites trouble. And since everything said is not for the coach's benefit, I am not so sure what trouble it brings.

This is one of those, "What works for you might not work for someone else."

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I also see it as a bit demeaning to my partner to give my approval of his/her calls on the court. I trust that they know it was a good call. If I have something to say to them about it, it will usually be in the locker room.

Again this might be that way depending on the kind of official you are working for or with. I know some officials look to certain experienced partners to give them some kind of approval and just like anything you have to know your partners. But having worked with some very experienced officials and some very inexperienced officials as well, never had anyone react to me badly for saying "good call." Then again I do not keep track of how many times I say this or even if I say it on a regular basis. We are a team and I would hope that we can share some stuff with a partner without egos being so damaged.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

He gives "an occasional" good call comment, and you decide he is doing it all the time, except for once and that gives the coach ammunition.

Actually, I never decided that he's doing it all the time. That's my point. He doesn't. He said that he only did it occasionally. When? Easy calls? Tough calls? Correct tough calls? Incorrect tough calls? Anybody who works with me will get his "props", and some criticism, if needed, during private moments, usually in the privacy of the dressing room, maybe on the court during timeouts, or between periods, but still private.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm not worry about the bedtime story.

[stripes]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not referring to talking to kids or players to prevent fouls. I am talking about talking to partners to tell them what you just called or where to put the ball on a foul or violation. Even something has simple as using voice when reporting the foul. You are talking about something totally different than what I was referring to.

Peace

+1. This is what I was talking about. Voice during dead balls is SOOOO underutilized.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not referring to talking to kids or players to prevent fouls. I am talking about talking to partners to tell them what you just called or where to put the ball on a foul or violation. Even something has simple as using voice when reporting the foul. You are talking about something totally different than what I was referring to.

Peace

Originally Posted by stripes

+1. This is what I was talking about. Voice during dead balls is SOOOO underutilized.

Agree as well.

There are so many different types of talking....to partners, coaches, players. This type is too often underused.

Had partner last night, who is a fantastic official in every regard, not use his voice a time or two. It was summer league and some things were a bit casual (e.g., no need to do a full report since they were not tracking player fouls). But, on a couple of occasions, I had no idea what kind of FTs I was to be administering...1+1 (not shooting) or 2 (shooting)....the play was such that it could have been either one. I had to ask him what we had. Even if it seems obvious to you, your partners may or may not know all that they need to know about what you had...better to overdo it rather than put your partners in a bind.