Celtics/Sixers Game 7

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Under NBA rules, the defender must get the torso directly in the path of the offensive player and must beat the defender to the spot. If he's there late or both players arrive at the same time, it's a blocking foul.

OK, then under NBA rules was this a blocking foul? It sounds by your description this is still an offensive foul from my understanding.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

OK, then under NBA rules was this a blocking foul? It sounds by your description this is still an offensive foul from my understanding.

Peace

I personally thought offensive foul, but the play is so close, that I would have been okay with a blocking foul.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I personally thought offensive foul, but the play is so close, that I would have been okay with a blocking foul.

All conversations I have had with a former NBA officials the basic rules they apply are the same. And in this case it appears nothing should be called but an offensive foul. I will ask my friend and see what he thinks. I am going to see him in a week for sure and I will ask his take on this play and report it back to you.

Peace

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

All conversations I have had with a former NBA officials the basic rules they apply are the same. And in this case it appears nothing should be called but an offensive foul. I will ask my friend and see what he thinks. I am going to see him in a week for sure and I will ask his take on this play and report it back to you.

Peace

You're going to ask a former NBA official to review a call by a current NBA official? How do you think he'll respond? I'll save you the time. He's going to concur: "they made the right call...charging".

Do you really think he's going to go against any call a current crew in the post season makes, especially if he know's you are going to take that opinion back to a public discussion board?

[JetMetFan]

CONTACT SITUATIONS

2. Guarding an Opponent
In all guarding situations, a player is entitled to any spot on the court he desires, provided he legally gets to that spot first and without contact with an opponent. If a defensive or offensive player has established a position on the floor and his opponent initiates contact that results in the dislodging of the opponent, a foul should be called IMMEDIATELY...A player may continue to move after gaining a guarding position in the path of an opponent provided he is not moving directly or obliquely toward his opponent when contact occurs.

BLOCK-CHARGE

A defensive player is permitted to establish a legal guarding position in the path of a dribbler regardless of his speed and distance.

So...given these definitions, what did the defender do on this play that was illegal?

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

So...given these definitions, what did the defender do on this play that was illegal?

I think it's been stated repeatedly by some (me included) that there is doubt that "he legally gets to that spot first " and thusly that the defender DID NOT "establish a position on the floor" based on what the video os showing.

There is obvious disagreement over what we are ALL seeing in the video...so it looks like this one's going to go round and round....

[hoopguy]

To be fair, I am big Celtic fan...

But, I thought it was a charge. I also did not think it was that obvious and being the NBA, it easily could have gone the other way.

If it was Lebron, I would have thought it was very obviously a charge

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

So...given these definitions, what did the defender do on this play that was illegal?

To the letter even.

He more than got to "the spot" first since the contact was more on his trailing side than his leading side. He was there before the dribbler. And his movement was not toward the dribbler...it was away from him.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

You're going to ask a former NBA official to review a call by a current NBA official? How do you think he'll respond? I'll save you the time. He's going to concur: "they made the right call...charging".

Do you really think he's going to go against any call a current crew in the post season makes, especially if he know's you are going to take that opinion back to a public discussion board?

Considering he is a current NBA evaluator and someone we go to for training in my area, I think he will give his honest answer. He told me what he felt about a play last year that was a block/charge call and I asked him about before the playoffs were over last year. He has in the past used video and examples from the NBA to teach officials at camps and meetings with his knowledge. I already have a good idea what he is going to say anyway, but I would like to confirm that feeling. I also did not necessarily say I was going to bring it to the entire board either.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Here are Pierce and Young as Young establishes LGP



Young and Pierce right before contact.




So...what did Young do that was illegal? BTW, if I took a shot from two frames later Young gets hit in the chest.