Celtics/Sixers Game 7

[Camron Rust]

Textbook charge....not even close.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Textbook charge....not even close.

Not even close? Really? I doubt we'd be having this debate if it wasn't a lttle bit close.

[JugglingReferee]

PC and the T buys the slot a beer.

[KMBReferee]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

PC and the T buys the slot a beer.

Exactly, because the T should have called the PC. The C called that out of his area. PC happened off the opposite elbow and the slash originated from the wing.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Textbook charge....not even close.

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Not even close? Really? I doubt we'd be having this debate if it wasn't a lttle bit close.

We are having thiis debate b/c some officials just aren't honest with themselves.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Not even close? Really? I doubt we'd be having this debate if it wasn't a lttle bit close.

He was only in his path with 2 feet down a whole 4 steps before contact . I'm not sure what else he needed to to to obtain LGP. After that, he moved, but did so legally and even got 2 feet down in Pierce's path once (maybe twice) more. The only thing he didn't do was satisfy the myth of needing to be "set". But last time I check, most of us didn't rule based on myths.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

He was only in his path with 2 feet down a whole 4 steps before contact . I'm not sure what else he needed to to to obtain LGP...

Thats not the way I see it. Defender looked like he slid into Pierce's path right before contact and did not establish LGP before he got clobbered. Maybe I've got green colored glasses on...but he was not in Pierce's path 4 steps away.

[JRutledge]

What did the defender do wrong? He is back up and gets in front of the ball handler. This is a charge all the way, every day and all day and twice on Sunday.

This is not about getting to a spot at the same time, the defender was there and got RTFOd.

I am calling a charge all the time on this play, even if it is close.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

There's no way the defender gets to the spot first. He's still moving to the spot when there's contact. That's a block.

This is why there's so much controversy regarding so many charging fouls being called. Got too many guys out there who love to punch.

[JRutledge]

Where in the rulebook is there any conversation or wording about getting to a spot? The defender was backing up and had a legal position. And the controversy about charges are from media people and coaches (which is the only people on the NCAA committee). So who cares about a controversy that has still not be endorsed or supported by the supervisor of officials. If he does and he will if he thinks so, then that will be a reasonable point of view. But without bringing in that part of this discussion, the defender was backing away and took it in the chest. That is a charge all day in my book and I have a NBA official that gives presentations in my association all the time and is perplexed that more charges are not called even in the NBA.

Peace

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Where in the rulebook is there any conversation or wording about getting to a spot? The defender was backing up and had a legal position. And the controversy about charges are from media people and coaches (which is the only people on the NCAA committee). So who cares about a controversy that has still not be endorsed or supported by the supervisor of officials. If he does and he will if he thinks so, then that will be a reasonable point of view. But without bringing in that part of this discussion, the defender was backing away and took it in the chest. That is a charge all day in my book and I have a NBA official that gives presentations in my association all the time and is perplexed that more charges are not called even in the NBA.

Peace

Curious how y'all think he had 'legal position'.

I think that's why Tony (and me, for that matter) have a block on this play.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

Curious how y'all think he had 'legal position'.

I don't think he (defender) did. That's been my contention since seeing the play live.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

Curious how y'all think he had 'legal position'.

I think that's why Tony (and me, for that matter) have a block on this play.

He was straight in front of the dribbler (in the path), had two feed on the floor and was facing the dribbler the moment the dribbler beat the first defender...between 10 and 11 seconds in in the video replay as the dribbler stepped with his right foot and lifted his left. LGP obtained.

The dribbler veers to the left and the defender shifts right to stay in front of him the entire time. The dribbler take two more steps and collides with the torso of the defender as they're both shifting together.

In fact, the primary contact is on the defenders LEFT side...indicating the defender definitely stayed in the dribbler's path.

If the contact had been on the defender's right side, that would probably mean the defender would not have remained in the path and would have lost LGP and would have needed to reobtain it. He would have been moving into the dribber in such a case...for a block. But that isn't what happened.

[APG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Where in the rulebook is there any conversation or wording about getting to a spot? The defender was backing up and had a legal position. And the controversy about charges are from media people and coaches (which is the only people on the NCAA committee). So who cares about a controversy that has still not be endorsed or supported by the supervisor of officials. If he does and he will if he thinks so, then that will be a reasonable point of view. But without bringing in that part of this discussion, the defender was backing away and took it in the chest. That is a charge all day in my book and I have a NBA official that gives presentations in my association all the time and is perplexed that more charges are not called even in the NBA.

Peace

Under NBA rules, the defender must get the torso directly in the path of the offensive player and must beat the defender to the spot. If he's there late or both players arrive at the same time, it's a blocking foul.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Under NBA rules, the defender must get the torso directly in the path of the offensive player and must beat the defender to the spot. If he's there late or both players arrive at the same time, it's a blocking foul.

OK, then under NBA rules was this a blocking foul? It sounds by your description this is still an offensive foul from my understanding.

Peace