You Make The Call: Pass And Crash

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

How can I tell? Not as complicated as your answer. I can tell b/c I observed B1 step towards A1 and make contact with his shoulder into A1's chest.

That too, but that point was essentially already covered and some just couldn't see it.

Even if you can't "see" it, you can use basic physics to tell what happened from the results.

Think billiards....can you ever hit a stationary ball on the left side and have it go left? No, not possible. The only way that the target ball can go left is if it was moving left before impact with more momentum in that direction than the other ball had in the opposite direction.

You can use these concepts to know who was moving into who without ever seeing the contact. (You have to see it enough to rule out flopping, of course).

[rsl]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Even if you can't "see" it, you can use basic physics to tell what happened from the results.

Think billiards...

Unlike billiard balls, humans can change their direction. I think at least part of the passer's 90 degree exit on this play was because he had turned to make the pass and it was natural to step straight back. I agree with BadNewsRef- you need to see the defender step forward to get the call right. You can be fooled by physics.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by rsl

Unlike billiard balls, humans can change their direction. I think at least part of the passer's 90 degree exit on this play was because he had turned to make the pass and it was natural to step straight back. I agree with BadNewsRef- you need to see the defender step forward to get the call right. You can be fooled by physics.

It's not foolproof but it does work most of the time.

If I'm moving towards you and you're either not moving or moving away from me and I hit you, my momentum will take both of us in the direction I was going. If I'm moving towards you and you even move a little towards me, we're going to bounce off each other and head in different directions.

[hoopguy]

For me, a no-call. I felt like the defender flopped. I think in an away from the ball, take 2 points away situation, to get a team control call it must be very clear. This is not clearly a team control foul, obviously, from all the disagreement.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rsl

Unlike billiard balls, humans can change their direction. I think at least part of the passer's 90 degree exit on this play was because he had turned to make the pass and it was natural to step straight back. I agree with BadNewsRef- you need to see the defender step forward to get the call right. You can be fooled by physics.

Yes, people can add their own movement to the collision....but that doesn't make both people move differently. The key is not so much the offensive player's direction but the defender's. With your statement that the passer stepped that way, then the defenders subsequent fall in that same direction is even stronger evidence that it was a block....if he still fell that direction, he could have only done so if he was moving that direction.

And yes, you need to see it, but the reactions tell a lot....a confirmation that, yes, he did step into the passer.