John Adams and Block Charge plays.

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Referees thankfully go back to school to re-learn how to call block/charge plays - NCAA Basketball - Sporting News

[Rich]

That wasn’t the issue, though. The problem leading to incorrect calls is that calling a charge became a “default” position for too many referees when they observed contact between a moving offensive player and a less mobile defensive player — even if the defender was not in legal guarding position, even if the contact was not direct. (And sometimes, charges have been called when there was little contact but the defender made it appear he’d been forced to the floor.)

I've been saying this for years.

The first 15 years I worked basketball, there were too many blocks being called and the message got out that we were punishing good defense. Then it swung way too much in the opposite direction -- charges became the default call even when the elements of drawing a charge weren't all there. Anything close got shipped the other way.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by GROUPthink

I've been saying this for years.

The first 15 years I worked basketball, there were too many blocks being called and the message got out that we were punishing good defense. Then it swung way too much in the opposite direction -- charges became the default call even when the elements of drawing a charge weren't all there. Anything close got shipped the other way.

GROUPthink:

I am a dinosaur in the world of basketball officiating but one of my personal friends was the late Ed Ferrigno of Conneticut who was the Rules Interpreter for Connecticut and was considered the one of the foremost expert on Guarding and Screening. And I can assure you that we still do NOT call enough Charges.

MTD, Sr.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

GROUPthink:

I am a dinosaur in the world of basketball officiating but one of my personal friends was the late Ed Ferrigno of Conneticut who was the Rules Interpreter for Connecticut and was considered the one of the foremost expert on Guarding and Screening. And I can assure you that we still do NOT call enough Charges.

MTD, Sr.

I try to watch as much film as possible and there are a lot of called charges, even at the HS level, that simply aren't. I think many officials aren't refereeing the defense well enough and aren't looking for (1) establishing and (2) maintaining LGP. If it's in the torso and the defender goes down, it's shipped. And that's not always right.

I'm not a dinosaur, but 25 years of working at the HS/college levels doesn't make me a spring chicken, either. No namedropping from me, though.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I am a dinosaur in the world of basketball officiating.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Billy:

I love it!

MTD, Sr.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

GROUPthink:

... And I can assure you that we still do NOT call enough Charges.

MTD, Sr.

MTD, Sr. is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT....we do NOT call enough charges. The lower the level, the worse the problem.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

MTD, Sr. is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT....we do NOT call enough charges. The lower the level, the worse the problem.

TwoCents:

The check is in the mail.

MTD, Sr.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

TwoCents:

The check is in the mail.


MTD, Sr.

please make sure my check has a "comma" in the dollar amount...:-)

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

MTD, Sr. is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT....we do NOT call enough charges. The lower the level, the worse the problem.

Disagree. What I generally see from rookies is too many charges - caused by not watching the defense.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

Disagree. What I generally see from rookies is too many charges - caused by not watching the defense.

Interesting, because I hardly ever see a newer official call a PC foul at all. I think officials in general call too many things on the defense when they do not do anything wrong.

Peace

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

Disagree. What I generally see from rookies is too many charges - caused by not watching the defense.

when an official does not watch the defense, he is surprised/caught off-guard when the contact happens. as a result, the vast majority of times a block is called becuase that is what officials "default" to when making calls.

maybe the metric systems' conversion formula in Canada causes more charges to be called up there.....but below the 48th parallel in North America, officials call WAAAAAAAAYYYYY too many blocking fouls.

(btw, officials also wave off too many good baskets when a shooter is fouled because they don't understand when the act of shooting begins. that's for another thread, however.)

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by GROUPthink

. . . The first 15 years I worked basketball, there were too many blocks being called and the message got out that we were punishing good defense. Then it swung way too much in the opposite direction -- charges became the default call even when the elements of drawing a charge weren't all there. Anything close got shipped the other way.

From the responses thus far this seems to be a regional thing. Around here in the land across the lake from Rut the default call, almost universally -- and especially for less experienced officials -- is to "block." Ball watching catches especially the endline official by surprise when contact occurs, and because s/he hadn't assessed the legal or illegal status of the defender, the charge hardly ever gets called. More experienced officials have this pretty much down to a science, with little if any argument from coaches over the accurate calls.
More and more instruction in rules meetings is having a measurable effect on the less experienced officials as they're starting to get the point through diligent off-ball surveillance as Lead.

[canuckrefguy]

Glad to see this - one theme I saw emerging in last year's tournament was the high number of B/C situations where I thought defenders were drawing charges without LGP.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909

Referees thankfully go back to school to re-learn how to call block/charge plays - NCAA Basketball - Sporting News

Jay Bilas was quoted in the article. He is a good X and O's man but not know the rules. Enough said.

MTD, Sr.