First Time For Me

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Nowhere did he say the kid reported to the table.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Coach has a sub ready, but decides to hold him there.

I wasn't sure what "ready" meant, and I wasn't sure where "there", was, so, in my post, I covered all the bases on what could have occurred in this situation. Bottom line, if the buzzer sounds to end the twenty seconds, and the coach is trying to make some kind of passive aggressive statement, then it's time to whack.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I wasn't sure what "ready" meant, and I wasn't sure where "there", was, so, in my post, I covered all the bases on what could have occurred in this situation. Bottom line, if the buzzer sounds to end the twenty seconds, and the coach is trying to make some kind of passive aggressive statement, then it's time to whack.

Billy, allow me to direct you to the penultimate sentence in my OP:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Last night, working an AAU game, V1 fouls out. Coach has a sub ready, but decides to hold him there. I look at the table and he starts his timer. He gives me a horn at 5, then he gives the horn at 20. Sub isn't even moving, per coach's instruction, he's standing right next to him at the bench.

Good grief.

Sorry for any confusion.

[Maineac]

Sounds to me like the coach knew enough about the rule to get himself in trouble. Which took about 21 seconds or so.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Sorry for any confusion.

Apology accepted.

[JRutledge]

After a wonderful non-issue run of AAU/Travel ball the last few weeks, today I throw out a coach for the first time in some time.

It just amazes me the things these coaches get upset over. I first gave him a T after the coach several times asked for one. Then when I gave him one we never really asked him to sit down (I just did not bother or care at that point) and then when I asked him to get out of the way of the table, more issues he had with that. This coach then request a timeout clearly after I call a double dribble violation. Then after the time out is perplexed that he does not have the ball out of the timeout (his player was not under pressure before the timeout BTW). Then with more antics, I had enough and dumped his behind. The game was over and forfeited as there was no other coach on the bench.

It never ceases to amaze me what these coaches get upset over. And all in the name of, "I like to talk." Good for you, but now the game is over.

Peace

[Adam]

Had a coach today run up the score; won by about 60 or 70. Late in the first half, I hear him asking for a 5 second count (I was only on 4) when they were up by 36 (42-6). I just said, "four," and looked over to see him laughing.

He had one player, at least, who knew the deal. My partner called a foul, and as we're lining up the guilty party started to moan a little bit until his teammate said, "Look at the score. We're good." It was 34-4, and they were still pressing. My partner said the same kid said the same thing to another teammate later.

This game was a layup drill for the winning team.

At half time the winning coach was hovering around the table complaining just loud enough for us to hear about needing to catch up on the point differential (league standings). It was all I could do not to roll my eyes really loudly.

[Bad Zebra]

This might be the thread to post this...I just finished reading a book: "Play Their Hearts Out...A Coach, His Star Recruit and the Youth Basketball Machine". Author's name is George Dohrmann. It's a fascinating look at how AAU has changed (ruined) youth basketball in th US. The main plot of the book is following a specific coach who has latched on to a youth star at a young age, but it profiles a number of coaches in the AAU system.

After reading it, I have come to two conclusions:

1. My instincts are accurate when judging the caliber of individuals involved with AAU basketball.
2. High school basketball has largely become irrelevant in the US because of AAU.

I would reccommend it to anyone who has ever worked an AAU game and come away scratching their head as to how anyone could entrust their child to some of these characters.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

2. High school basketball has largely become irrelevant in the US because of AAU.

I would reccommend it to anyone who has ever worked an AAU game and come away scratching their head as to how anyone could entrust their child to some of these characters.

Two thoughts...

1) I disagree with your point about HS basketball becoming irrelevant. Gyms across the country are still filled with fans and student bodies to cheer on their teams. Maybe those games are irrelevant as far as getting scouted by big-time college coaches, but around here we still see college coaches showing up at weekday games to watch players. Buying into that thought process makes us part of the problem.

2) Not only do these parents entrust their kid to these coaches/organizations, they pay them large sums of money just so Johnny can be on the team. It's ridiculous.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

After reading it, I have come to two conclusions:

1. My instincts are accurate when judging the caliber of individuals involved with AAU basketball.
2. High school basketball has largely become irrelevant in the US because of AAU.

I would reccommend it to anyone who has ever worked an AAU game and come away scratching their head as to how anyone could entrust their child to some of these characters.

I also disagree with the relevance or irrelevance of HS basketball. Basketball is pretty big in many parts of the country, probably more than others of course. I think AAU is big for players setting themselves up for the HS seasons, but often players are judged by what happens during the regular season and if they can work in a team concept. Of course AAU might be different for some of the top players, but HS is still a place where players have to excel. Summer basketball is about playing a lot of games with the top players and getting higher in the ranking, but if they cannot dominate or beat players at the HS level, they might affect their overall standing. Then again more and more HS teams are going out of their way to play other top teams in my state. The school Derrick Rose attended here in Illinois, his former HS played all over the country as they have several players that are ranked high.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I wasn't sure what "ready" meant, and I wasn't sure where "there", was, so, in my post, I covered all the bases on what could have occurred in this situation. Bottom line, if the buzzer sounds to end the twenty seconds, and the coach is trying to make some kind of passive aggressive statement, then it's time to whack.

You really think Snaq would allow the player to report, not enter the game and then assess a T?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

You really think Snaq would allow the player to report, not enter the game and then assess a T?

Absolutely not. However, I have had some coaches, and don't we all know how intelligent coaches are, have a substitute report to the table for a disqualified player, and then want to call him back to the bench to either talk to him, or to passively aggressively bust my chops, for twenty seconds. BillyMac don't play that game. I beckon, and if he doesn't immediately enter, it's whack. I'm not "known" for my whacking, but I'll whack here, in a Connecticut second.