you make the call

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by hoopguy

A lot of coaches and refs do not like to see/admit any play in basketball is deliberately dirty. I think it helps to have played and to have played recently to be able to differentiate between a deliberate attempt to trip, kick or any dirty play vs. those who have not played ever or in a long time. There are very few times a ballplayer does not know exactly what he is doing and when a ballplayer is really out of control it is obvious. There are people out there who do not believe Artest's elbow was intentional. There is always someone who disagrees no matter how obvious.

What kind of crap is that?

Originally Posted by hoopguy

To me this play was obviously intentional. For whatever reason, the kid kicked the other kid on purpose. Maybe he regretted it, maybe not, but he purposely kicked the other kid and if I saw this I would throw him out.

A lot of players are idiots and having played, despite their claims that it makes a difference, doesn't give them any particular ability to discern anything about anything.