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Old Fri Apr 20, 2012, 08:38am
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In a recent youth basketball game a young fella - reacting out of frustration, hauled off and kicked his defensive opponent in the face (please see video clip hereYou Make the Call - YouTube No call was made regarding such. How would you re-act to this issue and what would be your call - if you made a call at all?
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Old Fri Apr 20, 2012, 08:48am
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I don't see that "step" as losing his balance, or moving to another spot. But I'm not 100% (yet?) that is deliberate.

At minimum, I have a technical foul. If it was deliberate, then flagrant.
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Old Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:12am
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Didn't look deliberate to me. Not sure that I would have anything either.
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Old Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:35am
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It looks deliberate to me, he's done.

If I see it. It's quick, and neither official has the same angle as the camera, so it's very possible they didn't see it. Turn this video in to the league, though, and let them deal with it. This is the sort of play that can be dealt with after the fact. They may not agree with me that it was deliberate, but that's not a normal movement IMO.
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Old Fri Apr 20, 2012, 12:46pm
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It looks deliberate to me, he's done.

Turn this video in to the league, though, and let them deal with it. This is the sort of play that can be dealt with after the fact. They may not agree with me that it was deliberate, but that's not a normal movement IMO.
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This is not the act of some clumsy, underachieving, frustrated ball player.
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Old Fri Apr 20, 2012, 02:17pm
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Judging by the officials shorts, this looks like some off season ball. Never know what you're gonna get there when it comes to officiating, coaching & players alike.
BUT the L is wearing college wides so that makes me pay a bit more attention to him as it suggests he may have a college schedule.

This video is great reinforcement of why we need to close down on held balls... especially in the paint.

Not knowing whats happened up to this point in the game, the score seems to favor A1 & I wouldn't think he would be in frustration mode. It looks flagrant to me, I would like to believe I would use proper held ball procedures & not have to respond to this play as opposed to (the OPs question) reacting to it. It appears that the L was more concerned about his holding his perfect signal up high than using his voice while dead balling his call & I wonder what the T was looking at after the whistle.

Curious, was this called a held ball & nothing more??
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Didn't look deliberate to me. Not sure that I would have anything either.
As much as I hate to "swim against the tide" of popular, and esteemed, opinion, I agree. Held ball. Pivot. Momentum. Inadvertent kick. After the play, it appears that he comes back to check on the kid on the floor.
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I originally posted the question re: the call. I took advice and sent to league director - who forwarded to his officiating director - an official who claims - and with great prideful vigor and a listing of his prolific credits as a D1 Women's Basketball official (no disrespect for such referees intended) - great experience etc. and thus patronized me with such. His response was much less than what I had hoped for. He, like Billymac did not see anything wrong with the incident - calling it, "purely a basketball play." I was obviously disappointed and totally disagree with his call on the matter. Too bad for all - the program, the boy who committed the infraction (who will not learn from it) and obviously the boy who received the kick in the face - along with his $5,000 worth of dental work. A case of protecting image of program and the officiating director's (I think highly of myself) reputation ("God Complex" some referees seem to inflict on the game!) over against player safety!
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... ("God Complex" some referees seem to inflict on the game!) over against player safety!
What's a "God complex" and what does it have to do with the officials in this game and missing a call (which I agree they missed)?
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After the play, it appears that he comes back to check on the kid on the floor.
Immediate remorse. I just watched the video again and I have a hard time seeing that as anything but deliberate.
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... After the play, it appears that he comes back to check on the kid on the floor.
I addressed that in my post. Showing remorse doesn't mean that the act didn't happened. You never did anything on purpose then immediately realized you were wrong?
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In a recent youth basketball game a young fella - reacting out of frustration, hauled off and kicked his defensive opponent in the face (please see video clip hereYou Make the Call - YouTube No call was made regarding such. How would you re-act to this issue and what would be your call - if you made a call at all?
As described it's no doubt a flagrant personal/technical foul. But I've often found that descriptions don't alway match the actual incident.

Now that I've viewed it I would judge it a flagrant technical (judging held ball occurred first) despite the immediate remorse A1 is showing. I think he got frustrated and kicked his opponent and then realized what he did.
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As described it's no doubt a flagrant personal/technical foul. But I've often found that descriptions don't alway match the actual incident.
IMHO, it wasn't too far off on this one.
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IMHO, it wasn't too far off on this one.
Video wasn't working when I posted originally. I've added on to my post.
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