Quick Back court ruling/thoughts/answer

[Toren]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

APG already posted the interp that applies directly to the OP. It trumphs "last to touch/first to touch". We discussed all last summer how the FED botched re-writing the TC rule in regards to throw-ins. Prior to last season the OP would not have been a BC violation. The FED put out correspondence stating BC violation rules were not affected by the new TC throw-in rules. Throw-in's and jump ball's have backcourt exceptions so you cannot extend 9.9.1 Sit C to them.

Yes I'm aware of that discussion. What I have yet to see is why people are giving A3 the throw in exception. By rule it applies to only A2.

9.9.1 Situation D and E

The exception granted during a throw-in ends when the throw-in ends and is only for the player making the initial touch on the ball.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Toren

The exception granted during a throw-in ends when the throw-in ends and is only for the player making the initial touch on the ball.

So you're saying in the OP that when A2 jumps & tips the throw-in pass, if he fell down A3 couldn't go get it in the b/c?
If so, what would be your call?

I'll play the coach, "Toren we never established player control after the throw-in ended. Why is this a violation?"

[Toren]

Originally Posted by tref

So you're saying in the OP that when A2 jumps & tips the throw-in pass, if he fell down A3 couldn't go get it in the b/c?
If so, what would be your call?

I'll play the coach, "Toren we never established player control after the throw-in ended. Why is this a violation?"

After giving it some thought, here's how I would adjudicate the original OP.

The throw-in started so we had team control for the sake of not shooting free throws if the offensive team happens to foul and the defensive team is in the bonus.

The throw-in ended when A2 legally deflects the pass.

We do not have team control for the sake of backcourt violations, that isn't established until A3 catches the ball.

So we have a legal play in the OP.

But I wanted to make sure that we aren't saying it's the throw-in exception that gives A3 the ability to catch the ball. Because that is not accurate.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Toren

Yes I'm aware of that discussion. What I have yet to see is why people are giving A3 the throw in exception. By rule it applies to only A2.

9.9.1 Situation D and E

The exception granted during a throw-in ends when the throw-in ends and is only for the player making the initial touch on the ball.

The exception doesn't apply here. It was never necessary to make the play legal, and it isn't now.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Toren

Yes I'm aware of that discussion. What I have yet to see is why people are giving A3 the throw in exception. By rule it applies to only A2.

9.9.1 Situation D and E

The exception granted during a throw-in ends when the throw-in ends and is only for the player making the initial touch on the ball.

No one is applying the throw-in exception here. The interpretation I gave you specifically told us that there must be player and team control in the front court, coming from a throw-in, before one can have a backcourt violation.

The case book play you posted is a completely different situation.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

No one is applying the throw-in exception here. The interpretation I gave you specifically told us that there must be player and team control in the front court, coming from a throw-in, before one can have a backcourt violation.

The case book play you posted is a completely different situation.

I agree that you weren't saying that, I don't agree that "No one" is applying it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Toren

I agree that you weren't saying that, I don't agree that "No one" is applying it.

Who in this convo is applying the "throw-in exception" to the OP? The throw-in exception applies specifically to players who gain PC while airborne during a throw-in. The OP does not have that element. You associated that exception to this play in your responses in msg #7 and msg #21.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Toren

I agree that you weren't saying that, I don't agree that "No one" is applying it.

Who's applying it?

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Who's applying it?

I'm re reading the thread, I can certainly see some spots where I originally interpreted people saying the exception applied. But now that subsequent posts were added I think I was misreading their posts.

So I misinterpreted what people wrote. Although more accurately, I think the way things were worded left something to be desired, namely clarity.

What I can clearly see, is I was the only one to second guess the OP. Everyone else had it nailed. So that tells me I gotta hit the books even harder this summer.

It's coming along, I promise.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Toren

I'm re reading the thread, I can certainly see some spots where I originally interpreted people saying the exception applied. But now that subsequent posts were added I think I was misreading their posts.

So I misinterpreted what people wrote. Although more accurately, I think the way things were worded left something to be desired, namely clarity.

What I can clearly see, is I was the only one to second guess the OP. Everyone else had it nailed. So that tells me I gotta hit the books even harder this summer.

It's coming along, I promise.

If you were an esteemed member, or Snaqwells, I would tell you to shut up or get a room.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

If you were an esteemed member, or Snaqwells, I would tell you to shut up or get a room.

As my students would say:

"OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Burn!"