Celtics play

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Wasn't he fouled? If he is fouled before he travels and it looks like that based on that would be the only contact that would negate any travel. They did not show the angle from the official's point of view so I am wondering how much of a foul it was, but it appears a foul was called in real time on the right arm while LeBron is in the act of shooting. It may have actually been a travel first, but it appears the call was about a foul as a result. What would have been a better question is should the basket could on a foul where the player "travels" after being fouled?

Peace

Haven't we discussed this extensively; with the conclusion being that you wave off the score and award two shots?

The ball does not become dead on the foul if it's by the defense and the shooting motion has begun. It does, however, become dead when the offense commits a violation. Thus no basket, but two shots.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Haven't we discussed this extensively; with the conclusion being that you wave off the score and award two shots?

The ball does not become dead on the foul if it's by the defense and the shooting motion has begun. It does, however, become dead when the offense commits a violation. Thus no basket, but two shots.

Not sure I remember or were directly involved in those discussions here, but there are discussions I have had about this issue previously. But in this discussion people seem to be intent on that there was a travel and did not seem to focus on the foul that might have affected any travel being called. That is the only reason I pointed that out.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Not sure I remember or were directly involved in those discussions here, but there are discussions I have had about this issue previously. But in this discussion people seem to be intent on that there was a travel and did not seem to focus on the foul that might have affected any travel being called. That is the only reason I pointed that out.

Peace

By rule, it seems pretty simple. Although in practice it won't always be that clear.

Jump shooter goes up, gets fouled, comes down, and releases his shot that goes in. Easy to give him two shots and discount the basket. Player on the floor gets pushed into a travel before he can release the shot, it's a little more complicated.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Player on the floor gets pushed into a travel before he can release the shot, it's a little more complicated.

Not if he gathered the ball & we put a lil' verbal behind the whistle. IJS

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

Not if he gathered the ball & we put a lil' verbal behind the whistle. IJS

By rule, it's a shooting foul but not basket. What are you "just sayin" you'd do? And how does air in the whistle help?

[twocentsworth]

block (don't understand why there's so much discussion...pretty clear - block)
travel on reception and travel prior to shot.

[berserkBBK]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

block (don't understand why there's so much discussion...pretty clear - block)
travel on reception and travel prior to shot.

As APG said, block in the NBA based on their rule of defensive box.

However, this is a PC foul under NCAA and NFHS. Player establishes LGP and moves laterally and backwards, taking the contact in the chest.
How is this a "pretty clear - block"?

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Jump shooter goes up, gets fouled, comes down, and releases his shot that goes in. Easy to give him two shots and discount the basket.

vs.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Player on the floor gets pushed into a travel before he can release the shot, it's a little more complicated.

Just sayin it wouldnt be complicated to award 2 shots here ^^ if we have good post-whistle fundamentals.

Never mentioned air in the whistle...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

By rule, it seems pretty simple. Although in practice it won't always be that clear.

Jump shooter goes up, gets fouled, comes down, and releases his shot that goes in. Easy to give him two shots and discount the basket. Player on the floor gets pushed into a travel before he can release the shot, it's a little more complicated.

This play is much more common than the one you just described. Actually I have never seen a situation where I had to rule on a foul shot based on the shooter already coming back to the floor an shooting the ball. The LeBron play is very common as to what is likely to be seen. I actually had to T up a coach over a discussion based on a similar play as he wanted to dispute how many steps the shooter took after clearly being fouled.

Peace

[Toren]

First play I got a travel on Wade.

I don't know NBA rules, so I'm going Fed Rules, PC after the traveling violation.

Second play, viewing it in real time, he traveled initially. I didn't see much contact as he headed to the basket, so I would have no called the rest of the play. Wasn't positive he traveled at the end, again live viewing. Which means I'm not blowing my whistle for traveling, since I'm not positive. I definitely wouldn't have called a foul, since the contact if any was marginal.