Enforcing Sportsmanship

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by ref3808

I guess we live in a world where we're expected to tolerate to the nth degree the boorish and unacceptable behavior of coaches.

Frankly, once this coach was gone the game was a better contest. Faced with the same scenario I'd take the same action.

ref3808 - sounds like you handled it just fine...oftentimes the game DOES get better once the problem is addressed/removed.

In addition to a general lack/decline of sportsmanship by players and coaches, it has been my experience that more and more officials lack the "people skills" to handle/diffuse situations. I see officials routinely turn to issuing a T or ejection, when there were/are plenty of other remedies that they either don't know how to use or won't use.

Of course some will disagree (and just you wait...they'll be along shortly to do so and tell me i'm wrong...). It is a "chicken or the egg"-type discussion (are the players/coaches causing the ejections or are the lack of people skills/communication skills exacerbating the problem?). IMHO, it is most certainly a little of both. While every situation doesn't call for a T or ejection, I think that officials resort to the T/ejection becuase it is the "easiest thing to do"......

[tref]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

In addition to a general lack/decline of sportsmanship by players and coaches, it has been my experience that more and more officials lack the "people skills" to handle/diffuse situations. I see officials routinely turn to issuing a T or ejection, when there were/are plenty of other remedies that they either don't know how to use or won't use.

Of course some will disagree (and just you wait...they'll be along shortly to do so and tell me i'm wrong...).

That is BS, its always the coaches/players fault! Are you a ref or a coach?
LOL

No, I agree, it is a bit of both, especially in the off-season. What I see from us locally is officials are going to the T as a first choice instead of using the tool as a last resort.
I've also noticed that its generally the same guy(s) that get caught up in the mess with Ts, player/coach/fan ejections, etc. It's usually the same players/coaches/fans too
IMO officials with exceptional people skills dont get into many off-season altercations.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

ref3808 - sounds like you handled it just fine...oftentimes the game DOES get better once the problem is addressed/removed.

In addition to a general lack/decline of sportsmanship by players and coaches, it has been my experience that more and more officials lack the "people skills" to handle/diffuse situations. I see officials routinely turn to issuing a T or ejection, when there were/are plenty of other remedies that they either don't know how to use or won't use.

Of course some will disagree (and just you wait...they'll be along shortly to do so and tell me i'm wrong...). It is a "chicken or the egg"-type discussion (are the players/coaches causing the ejections or are the lack of people skills/communication skills exacerbating the problem?). IMHO, it is most certainly a little of both. While every situation doesn't call for a T or ejection, I think that officials resort to the T/ejection becuase it is the "easiest thing to do"......

I don't think you're wrong so much as incomplete.

I would just add that sometimes the problem is the officials don't know how to spot trouble before it boils over. There are usually signs, and a quick word with the coach lets him know that you're listening, so it cuts off his frustration. It also gives you a chance to let him know there are better ways to communicate with you; doing this quietly in front of his bench does it without showing him up.

I'm using my spring/summer ball this year to work on my communication with coaches. If I can work with these guys, I can work with anyone who's actually accountable to a school district.

All that said, sometimes you just have to go straight to the T because the coach doesn't give you a choice.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

It is a "chicken or the egg"-type discussion do"......

The discussion that is being had is actually the "chicken or the chicken egg". I don't think anybody is debating whether chickens came before eggs in general, cause we know eggs existed millions of years before chickens or chicken eggs for that matter.

Just my $.02

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Toren

The discussion that is being had is actually the "chicken or the chicken egg". I don't think anybody is debating whether chickens came before eggs in general, cause we know eggs existed millions of years before chickens or chicken eggs for that matter.

Just my $.02

Mr. Annoying Metaphor Guy?

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Mr. Annoying Metaphor Guy?

Apparently

I was a philosophy major, so we were the ones debating this and just wanted to make sure others didn't waste hours debating the wrong topic

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Toren

We know eggs existed millions of years before chickens.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Mr. Annoying Metaphor Guy?

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Mr. Annoying Metaphor Guy?

who is like Mr. Annoying Simile Guy.