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Old Fri Apr 06, 2012, 12:22pm
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The defender never stops coming forward. I have a block, but I do not think on this kind of play you can have a no-call. And I am a person that usually judges these plays as charges as a default, but the defender clearly did not stop coming forward from this angle.

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Old Fri Apr 06, 2012, 12:23pm
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The defender never stops coming forward. I have a block, but I do not think on this kind of play you can have a no-call. And I am a person that usually judges these plays as charges as a default, but the defender clearly did not stop coming forward from this angle.

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With the pictures given, who makes the call?
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Old Fri Apr 06, 2012, 12:29pm
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I think I'd go with a block here but could see a no call.
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Old Fri Apr 06, 2012, 12:41pm
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I like the no-call here. Defender leaned out of vertical plane to create contact. The L seems to have best view and positioning here. If she saw the lean and opted to pass on the whistle, that's a pretty good piece of officiating IMHO.

P.S. Whatever Doris Burke says...the opposite is usually true. I'd like to watch a game with her and Clark Kellog doing commentary. They could conceivably get EVERY whistle wrong between the two of them.
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Old Fri Apr 06, 2012, 12:46pm
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This is a no-call or a block.

I don't like these types of leans, so I tend to call a block. But at the higher levels, this is easily a no-call.
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Old Fri Apr 06, 2012, 12:48pm
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With the pictures given, who makes the call?
The Lead or the Center could call this. The Trail could but they are probably too far as it seems like a quick change or transition.

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Old Fri Apr 06, 2012, 01:29pm
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The Lead or the Center could call this. The Trail could but they are probably too far as it seems like a quick change or transition.

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I can agree the Lead or Center should/could call this. I would give Lead first crack at it since it was a secondary defender stepping up to take the contact..
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Old Fri Apr 06, 2012, 02:08pm
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Pretty easy block from my video view, I'm calling it
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Old Fri Apr 06, 2012, 02:19pm
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I can agree the Lead or Center should/could call this. I would give Lead first crack at it since it was a secondary defender stepping up to take the contact..

Lead wouldn't see the angle of the defender on this play. C has the open look. On plays like this in women's floor coverage, this is a C play to judge.
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Old Fri Apr 06, 2012, 03:00pm
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Lead wouldn't see the angle of the defender on this play. C has the open look. On plays like this in women's floor coverage, this is a C play to judge.
Is that exclusive or inclusive? The secondary defend steps into the dual coverage area from the Lead half of the court. Since open looks are being discussed. The C doesn't have a good look at the play. From her current position appears to be straight lined as it is being finished at the rim. I would have liked to see the Center take a couple of steps toward the endline. This would have opened the look up more.
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Old Fri Apr 06, 2012, 03:22pm
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Lead wouldn't see the angle of the defender on this play. C has the open look. On plays like this in women's floor coverage, this is a C play to judge.
Agreed, the L can see the lateral movement, but not verticality. L should not make a call here, just like they shouldn't call rebounding fouls from behind. Same principle.
Although the C didnt position adjust, I thought the C had the best opportunity here as the T isnt in the screen shot.
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Old Fri Apr 06, 2012, 03:30pm
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Lead wouldn't see the angle of the defender on this play. C has the open look. On plays like this in women's floor coverage, this is a C play to judge.
Maybe that is why they get so many plays wrong then IMO? It seems they are trying to fit a coverage area into a game that does not suit their game in the first place.

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Old Fri Apr 06, 2012, 03:42pm
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I'm ok with the no call - mostly because the block did not affect the shot at all - but I would be ok with block too, as the defender never stops moving forward. Definitely not a charge.
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Old Fri Apr 06, 2012, 03:43pm
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I'm ok with the no call - mostly because the block did not affect the shot at all - but I would be ok with block too, as the defender never stops moving forward. Definitely not a charge.
I think a block would've been called if the T got back & had the same look we have.
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Old Fri Apr 06, 2012, 06:52pm
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I think a block would've been called if the T got back & had the same look we have.
Why in hell would the T have a whistle on this play?

The drive originates in the C's PCA.

The collision is in the middle of the lane.

There is no part of this play that the T has any business blowing.

It's the L or C's call all the way.
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