Video: Not a travel in NBA, but would you call this a travel in HS or NCAA

[jump stop]

How many would call this travel in HS or NCAA??
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[Adam]

I call this every time I spot it.

[ballgame99]

I would not call that, especially when I see it at full speed.

[JRutledge]

That is not a travel at any level, let alone HS or college. Touching the ball does not constitute possession.

Peace

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by jump stop

How many would call this travel in HS or NCAA??
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A whistle on this play is a "game interrupter".

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is not a travel at any level, let alone HS or college. Touching the ball does not constitute possession.

Peace

I can understand the idea behind not calling this (particularly at full speed), but "touching"? He catches it with two hands, right foot on the floor, as he's walking. That's his pivot foot (in NFHS and NCAA) now, but he proceeds to lift it and put it back down in a step to gather for a shot. How is that not a travel, by rule?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

A whistle on this play is a "game interrupter".

Not here it's not. Now, if it's close (and this may be close enough at full speed that it's hard to tell where his right foot is when he catches the ball), that's different.

[JugglingReferee]

This is a travel. The left foot touches the floor after possession is gained, thereby establishing the right foot as the pivot foot. When the right foot touches the floor at a new point of contact before the release for shot, it is a travel.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

A whistle on this play is a "game interrupter".

Around here, we call it "gamus interruptus".

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I can understand the idea behind not calling this (particularly at full speed), but "touching"? He catches it with two hands, right foot on the floor, as he's walking. That's his pivot foot (in NFHS and NCAA) now, but he proceeds to lift it and put it back down in a step to gather for a shot. How is that not a travel, by rule?

If I have to look at slow motion replay to determine when he had the ball, then this would not be a good call to make. This is not about the NBA or any other level, I am not calling it that close ever at any game with any kind of players on the floor. We do not call these just by rule, we call them by judgment as well. I am not confident he had full possession of the ball when the foot was on the floor.

Peace

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Not here it's not. Now, if it's close (and this may be close enough at full speed that it's hard to tell where his right foot is when he catches the ball), that's different.

It's a ticky-tack call.

Not the same as the crow hop or quick shuffle where a player tries to re-establish their feet because they're used to shooting with the same foot forward, etc.

Not doing it to gain an advantage, avoid a defender, or improve position.

Pass.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

It's a ticky-tack call.

Not the same as the crow hop or quick shuffle where a player tries to re-establish their feet because they're used to shooting with the same foot forward, etc.

Not doing it to gain an advantage, avoid a defender, or improve position.

Pass.

He uses that step to get into closer position for a three point shot, having his comfort foot forward for the shot. Not an advantage?

Ok.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

It's a ticky-tack call.

Not the same as the crow hop or quick shuffle where a player tries to re-establish their feet because they're used to shooting with the same foot forward, etc.

Not doing it to gain an advantage, avoid a defender, or improve position.

Pass.

How is it different from the "crow hop" as you call it??? Both are designed to get the shooter's feet set so they can be in their normal shooting motion, thus both are giving the shooter an advantage that he should not have because he violated the rules.

To call this a ticky tack call but imply that the crow hop is a good call makes absolutely no sense.

[Camron Rust]

Absolute travel at HS and NCAA. It really isn't that close. (NBA, I don't have an opinion, not sure what their rule is and don't care to look it up).

At full speed, it may or may not be "easy" to tell, but it was a travel and it isn't really that hard to tell if you look at it...and video backs it up and shows it wasn't really that close at all. He caught the ball as the right foot came down and the left foot was being lifted, he then stepped forward with the left foot making the right the pivot, then again with the right foot (becoming a travel when it touched).

This gave him a 2+ foot shorter shot and most definitely improved his situation.

For anyone that says it wasn't "much" of a travel, how much is too much? If you can tell he did but it was close, that is no reason to not call it. We're paid to decide if they did or did not travel. We're supposed to interrupt the game when a player infringes on the rules. If they wanted the travel call to allow an extra step, they'd write it that way.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If I have to look at slow motion replay to determine when he had the ball, then this would not be a good call to make. This is not about the NBA or any other level, I am not calling it that close ever at any game with any kind of players on the floor. We do not call these just by rule, we call them by judgment as well. I am not confident he had full possession of the ball when the foot was on the floor.

Peace

If that is true, I don't think he had full possession at anytime during that game.

Saying he didn't have "full possession" is just a convenient cop out to avoid making the call. The instant he has 2 hands on the ball (and the ball doesn't subsequently shift from that position) he had possession (was holding the ball). That point occurred practically the instant he touched the ball.