Griner Dunk

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This would not even be a thought process in a HS game from my point of view. I would totally leave that alone.

Peace

Agree

[Brad]

She did pull up and slap the backboard. She did not just hang there and wait until her momentum allowed her to drop down.

By rule, I'd say it has to be a T.

Not saying that I really agree with the rule though ... and in this case if the officials had called it that's ALL that we would be reading about right now!

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by Brad

She did pull up and slap the backboard. She did not just hang there and wait until her momentum allowed her to drop down.

By rule, I'd say it has to be a T.

Not saying that I really agree with the rule though ... and in this case if the officials had called it that's ALL that we would be reading about right now!

No she did not slap the backboard, her hand got caught in the net. Looked at it a few times and cannot see slap, just hand getting caught.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

No she did not slap the backboard, her hand got caught in the net. Looked at it a few times and cannot see slap, just hand getting caught.

Yes, she did. Her left hand. You can hear it also (because of the mics on the backboard)

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by Brad

Yes, she did. Her left hand. You can hear it also (because of the mics on the backboard)

Brad, you're making stuff up. What you hear is the rim snapping back. Her left hand gets caught in the net and never makes contact with backboard.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Brad, you're making stuff up. What you hear is the rim snapping back. Her left hand gets caught in the net and never makes contact with backboard.

It's clear as day to me ... of course, others sometimes have to wait for another angle of the video to be shown that I am right —*like in the goaltending thread from a few weeks back

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Brad

It's clear as day to me ... of course, others sometimes have to wait for another angle of the video to be shown that I am right —*like in the goaltending thread from a few weeks back

I was one of those "others". However, my stance on the other was that the original video was too grainy to tell. On this one, that is not the case. Her hand came no where near hitting the backboard. If you're going to call a T on this one (and I don't think I would) it will not be for slapping the backboard.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Brad

She did pull up and slap the backboard. She did not just hang there and wait until her momentum allowed her to drop down.

By rule, I'd say it has to be a T.

Not saying that I really agree with the rule though ... and in this case if the officials had called it that's ALL that we would be reading about right now!

What rule is that? The rule says that a player cannot grab the rim excessively, it does not say anything about what that specifically means. But by practice a player that is going hard to the basket is going to be allowed on some level to hang as if they let go at the wrong time they could be off balance. It does not say hanging on the rim is illegal, just talks about when it is excessive it is a T which is up for some judgment and interpretation of the NCAA and official what that actually means. Now I am sure NCAA Women's has very little ruling on this as they almost never see this, but this is not a play I have seen referenced as a T on the Men's side.

Peace

[Brad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What rule is that? The rule says that a player cannot grab the rim excessively, it does not say anything about what that specifically means. But by practice a player that is going hard to the basket is going to be allowed on some level to hang as if they let go at the wrong time they could be off balance. It does not say hanging on the rim is illegal, just talks about when it is excessive it is a T which is up for some judgment and interpretation of the NCAA and official what that actually means. Now I am sure NCAA Women's has very little ruling on this as they almost never see this, but this is not a play I have seen referenced as a T on the Men's side.

If you can slap the backboard you have grabbed the rim excessively.

Pulling yourself up on the rim has always been "excessive" in the men's game whenever I have heard this issue discussed.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Brad

If you can slap the backboard you have grabbed the rim excessively.

Pulling yourself up on the rim has always been "excessive" in the men's game whenever I have heard this issue discussed.

I am not seeing this slap on the backboard you are convinced that took place. I hear the ring going back in place and I see a hand in the net. Not maybe the hand touched the backboard, but not something that was clearly obvious to everyone or something I had to look at to even kind of see. If that was hanging on the rim, then most dunks in the Kentucky-Baylor game I just witnessed were excessive. I do not recall any Ts being called in that game with the several dunks that took place.

Peace

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not seeing this slap on the backboard you are convinced that took place.

That's because it didn't happen.

Go to :29 of the video for the best look.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

That's because it didn't happen.

Go to :29 of the video for the best look.

If I have to go back to the video again to see something I never saw in the first place, then it must not have been significant for me to say was illegal. There is nothing in the rules that says touching the backboard is illegal, especially when it is inadvertent at best.

Peace

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What rule is that? The rule says that a player cannot grab the rim excessively...

NFHS 10-3-3,and nowhere does it say "excessively."

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bainsey

NFHS 10-3-3,and nowhere does it say "excessively."

Art. 3. Grasping either basket in an excessive, emphatic manner during the officials’ jurisdiction when the player is not, in the judgment of an official, trying to prevent an obvious injury to self or others.

No where?

Peace

[JRutledge]

I just saw a missed dunk from a Kansas player that was a lot worse than the Baylor play we are talking about and nothing was called. And no foul was given either.

Peace