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Old Sat Mar 24, 2012, 08:54pm
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Griner Dunk

If this were an NFHS game, does the player's action rise to the level of unsportsmanlike?

Don't get me wrong. It's an exciting play for her and for the fans... but do you let a high schooler get away with a pull up and rim shake in a 31-point blowout?

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Old Sat Mar 24, 2012, 09:00pm
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Wondered the same thing when I saw the replay. Seems to me I've seen this called this year in NCAAM games, but imagine the whining that would have ensued.
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This would not even be a thought process in a HS game from my point of view. I would totally leave that alone.

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Old Sat Mar 24, 2012, 09:11pm
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Nothing there. She lets go as soon as momentum stops ber body from swinging. I look for a chin up motion or prolonged hanging when nobody else is below.
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Old Sat Mar 24, 2012, 09:28pm
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Ok, I'll bite BZ: What, for you, constitutes a pull up? I guess I think she does.

Even so, I guess my thought is that although it's close, I probably pass.

However, if there's been something else (or a series of something elses) in the game that would lead me to interpret the action (pull up, shake, yell) as a taunt, I'm going to get it.
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Old Sat Mar 24, 2012, 09:34pm
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Ok, I'll bite BZ: What, for you, constitutes a pull up? I guess I think she does.
I look for arms bending at the elbows and the head moving up toward the rim. Didn't see either of those from Griner nor does she vocalize anything. This one looks as tame as they get from my perspective.
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Old Sat Mar 24, 2012, 09:41pm
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In this neck of the woods, this would likely be a T.
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Old Sun Mar 25, 2012, 01:55pm
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This would not even be a thought process in a HS game from my point of view. I would totally leave that alone.

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She did pull up and slap the backboard. She did not just hang there and wait until her momentum allowed her to drop down.

By rule, I'd say it has to be a T.

Not saying that I really agree with the rule though ... and in this case if the officials had called it that's ALL that we would be reading about right now!
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Old Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:10pm
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She did pull up and slap the backboard. She did not just hang there and wait until her momentum allowed her to drop down.

By rule, I'd say it has to be a T.

Not saying that I really agree with the rule though ... and in this case if the officials had called it that's ALL that we would be reading about right now!
No she did not slap the backboard, her hand got caught in the net. Looked at it a few times and cannot see slap, just hand getting caught.
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No she did not slap the backboard, her hand got caught in the net. Looked at it a few times and cannot see slap, just hand getting caught.
Yes, she did. Her left hand. You can hear it also (because of the mics on the backboard)
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She did pull up and slap the backboard. She did not just hang there and wait until her momentum allowed her to drop down.

By rule, I'd say it has to be a T.

Not saying that I really agree with the rule though ... and in this case if the officials had called it that's ALL that we would be reading about right now!
What rule is that? The rule says that a player cannot grab the rim excessively, it does not say anything about what that specifically means. But by practice a player that is going hard to the basket is going to be allowed on some level to hang as if they let go at the wrong time they could be off balance. It does not say hanging on the rim is illegal, just talks about when it is excessive it is a T which is up for some judgment and interpretation of the NCAA and official what that actually means. Now I am sure NCAA Women's has very little ruling on this as they almost never see this, but this is not a play I have seen referenced as a T on the Men's side.

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What rule is that? The rule says that a player cannot grab the rim excessively, it does not say anything about what that specifically means. But by practice a player that is going hard to the basket is going to be allowed on some level to hang as if they let go at the wrong time they could be off balance. It does not say hanging on the rim is illegal, just talks about when it is excessive it is a T which is up for some judgment and interpretation of the NCAA and official what that actually means. Now I am sure NCAA Women's has very little ruling on this as they almost never see this, but this is not a play I have seen referenced as a T on the Men's side.
If you can slap the backboard you have grabbed the rim excessively.

Pulling yourself up on the rim has always been "excessive" in the men's game whenever I have heard this issue discussed.
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What rule is that? The rule says that a player cannot grab the rim excessively...
NFHS 10-3-3,and nowhere does it say "excessively."
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