UNC-Asheville/Syracuse End of 1st Half

[JRutledge]

Peace

[bgredmchn]

Originally Posted by fortmoney

Did anybody just watch the end of the half? I am in disbelief. That ruling seems to go against all common sense. I realize very few people on this forum have ever had this situation as it involves a shot clock, but here goes:

Syracuse has the ball with about 1.3 seconds more than the shot clock, left in the half. Got down to about 11 seconds remaining (therefore about 10 left on the shotclock) and they started their offense. Syracuse throws up a 3 with maybe :04 left in the half (3 on the shotclock), airballs, rebounded by Syracuse, and the player is fouled on a shot. Whistle is clearly blown before the shotclock horn goes off, but as the player is finishing the shooting motion, the shotclock buzzer blows as the ball is still in his hands. The lead counts the basket, officials confer at the table. They decide to not only wave off the shot, but not shoot freethrows! Do the shotclock and game both not stop as soon as the whistle is blown? Shouldn't they, at the very least, shot foul shots?

Actually, the shot clock buzzer never went off. Even after the whistle, the last 1.3 seconds elapsed from the game clock as well.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

First, Adams said the violation was on the player in the first space who stepped in slightly early. Then, they pointed out the guard who came from outside the arc and asked wasn't that a violation too. John didn't even see that until they pointed it out. "Oh, oh, yeah, that too" is basically what he said. That didn't come off to good.

He then said he didn't know which one they called. Hell, the C was pointing at the kid and the path he took.

"Oh yeah, now I see it."

I do not agree that it was bad, I thought that was the violation as well and the part the original telecast focused on. And I posted a picture that shows this was correct. Again you are not going to always know what someone calls until you talk to them personally and he commented on the obvious one you see on TV first. At the arena that might have been more obvious of the player behind the 3 point line.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

First, Adams said the violation was on the player in the first space who stepped in slightly early. Then, they pointed out the guard who came from outside the arc and asked wasn't that a violation too. John didn't even see that until they pointed it out. "Oh, oh, yeah, that too" is basically what he said. That didn't come off to good.

He then said he didn't know which one they called. Hell, the C was pointing at the kid and the path he took.

"Oh yeah, now I see it."

Whoops.

I had the sound down but watching the replay I figured it was the kid who came from behind the 3-pt line. Then I made the mistake of turning the sound up and listening to Reggie Miller.

[BktBallRef]

That step in happens on almost every FT that's shot, it never gets called and it wasn't called this time.

The C pointed to the offender and pointed to the path he took to get to the ball..

I knew immediately who he had called the violation was called on.

If I can see it, then the NCAA Mens' Officiating Coordinator should be able to.

[bgredmchn]

If anyone else noticed, they ALMOST let Syracuse attempt a third free throw at the end of the game too. Pretty harsh day for those three.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bgredmchn

Actually, the shot clock buzzer never went off. Even after the whistle, the last 1.3 seconds elapsed from the game clock as well.

Yes, the shot clock buzzer did go off.

The game clock doesn't stop when the shot clock expires. It expires when an official blows his whistle, recognizing a shot clock violation.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bgredmchn

If anyone else noticed, they ALMOST let Syracuse attempt a third free throw at the end of the game too. Pretty harsh day for those three.

Forgive my question. But how do you "almost" let someone shoot? They either did or they did not shoot.

Peace

[bgredmchn]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Yes, the shot clock buzzer did go off.

The game clock doesn't stop when the shot clock expires. It expires when an official blows his whistle, recognizing a shot clock violation.

There was no light at 0. The official blew his whistle with 1.3 left and the game clock never stopped. And I'm aware they don't use PTS in the NCAA tourney.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bgredmchn

There was no light at 0. The official blew his whistle with 1.3 left and the game clock never stopped. And I'm aware they don't use PTS in the NCAA.

You are correct. The light did not come on and the game clock did not stop.

However, the shot clock buzzer did blow just after Corbett blew his whistle, while the ball was in the shooter's hand. I know, I watched over and over and still have it on my DVR.

[Reffing Rev.]

I do nothing but wreck basketball anymore, most of which use NCAA rules regarding FT. I think I call this Free Throw Violation once a night, and every time no one believes me.

Regarding the end of 1st half play...is there "lag" time in NCAA basketball? If the officials conferred and judged the horn occured before the whistle (erroneously) then they made the correct call, right?

True or False, once the ball strikes the backboard on an attempt the defense cannot touch it?

Wasn't that out of bounds call a wreck league rule...when a foul may have caused the ball to go out of bounds, award the ball out of bounds to the offended team without calling the foul...

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

Regarding the end of 1st half play...is there "lag" time in NCAA basketball?

Since they can review such a play, they can also put the exact amount of time back on the clock.

[rulesmaven]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

What did the commentators say in response? I was away from the TV and missed it.

I actually thought the studio guys were pretty good with Adams. They ran the reply of the lane violation call from an angle that I don't think he had seen before -- and followed up after he made the foot in the lane comment to get his reaction to the violation the official actually called. On the OOB play, he basically said he wasn't going to make any alibis for the crew. The commentators followed up with some good questions about whether he thought there should have been a foul on the play. (He said something about how, although he wasn't there, if they judged it after the ball hit the hand (I guess he meant, not causing the violation) he would have it as incidental contact.)

Seth Davis asked some questions about whose call the OOB should have been and even got into, very briefly, proper mechanics for the ref putting the ball at the under the basket player's disposal, which I thought was significantly better than the usual in-studio stuff. Adams had a bit of a deer-in-the-headlights aspect to him at first; he's not polished like Mike Pereira, but I think having him in the studio on these sorts of plays could be really good.

[stiffler3492]

John Adams on Tru TV now...does NOT look happy.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

That's the problem with having NBA guys working NCAA games...that play would be completely legal in a pro game.

How is that a problem?