UNC-Asheville/Syracuse End of 1st Half

[JetMetFan]

I figured someone would start a thread on this so why not me?

I thought the SU player was fouled before the shot clock expired. I know it's tough to post video but if anyone can it would be appreciated.

[APG]

Already reminded myself to put up video of the play for later. That foul definitely occurred before the shot clock violation.

[fortmoney]

Did anybody just watch the end of the half? I am in disbelief. That ruling seems to go against all common sense. I realize very few people on this forum have ever had this situation as it involves a shot clock, but here goes:

Syracuse has the ball with about 1.3 seconds more than the shot clock, left in the half. Got down to about 11 seconds remaining (therefore about 10 left on the shotclock) and they started their offense. Syracuse throws up a 3 with maybe :04 left in the half (3 on the shotclock), airballs, rebounded by Syracuse, and the player is fouled on a shot. Whistle is clearly blown before the shotclock horn goes off, but as the player is finishing the shooting motion, the shotclock buzzer blows as the ball is still in his hands. The lead counts the basket, officials confer at the table. They decide to not only wave off the shot, but not shoot freethrows! Do the shotclock and game both not stop as soon as the whistle is blown? Shouldn't they, at the very least, shot foul shots?

[fortmoney]

I had the same idea My thread has an indepth account of the play

[BktBallRef]

Foul and whistle came before the shot clock expired.

Should have counted the basket and shot 1 FT.

We're discussing it in the Chat Room.

[tref]

Originally Posted by fortmoney

Did anybody just watch the end of the half? I am in disbelief. That ruling seems to go against all common sense. I realize very few people on this forum have ever had this situation as it involves a shot clock, but here goes:

Syracuse has the ball with about 1.3 seconds more than the shot clock, left in the half. Got down to about 11 seconds remaining (therefore about 10 left on the shotclock) and they started their offense. Syracuse throws up a 3 with maybe :04 left in the half (3 on the shotclock), airballs, rebounded by Syracuse, and the player is fouled on a shot. Whistle is clearly blown before the shotclock horn goes off, but as the player is finishing the shooting motion, the shotclock buzzer blows as the ball is still in his hands. The lead counts the basket, officials confer at the table. They decide to not only wave off the shot, but not shoot freethrows! Do the shotclock and game both not stop as soon as the whistle is blown? Shouldn't they, at the very least, shot foul shots?

Sounds like you already know the answers to your questions. Guessing you're just surprised by the misapplication?

[fortmoney]

Originally Posted by tref

Sounds like you already know the answers to your questions. Guessing you're just surprised by the misapplication?

Just making sure it WAS a misapplication and not an odd rule. I definitely will default to 3 NCAA tournament officials' judgment over mine if I've never seen it before.

[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Foul and whistle came before the shot clock expired.

Should have counted the basket and shot 1 FT.

We're discussing it in the Chat Room.

I thought it should have been no basket because ball had not left hand prior to time expiring, however two FTs because foul occurred prior.

[fortmoney]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

I thought it should have been no basket because ball had not left hand prior to time expiring, however two FTs because foul occurred prior.

The shotclock doesn't continue to run when a foul is called and 10 seconds left, so why should it run when there is 1 second left?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

I thought it should have been no basket because ball had not left hand prior to time expiring, however two FTs because foul occurred prior.

The shot clock and game clock stop when a whistle blows.

So how can the clock expire when the whistle is before the buzzer?

[tref]

Are they using PTS?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

I thought it should have been no basket because ball had not left hand prior to time expiring, however two FTs because foul occurred prior.

Negative...count the basket and one...since the foul occurred before the shot clock expired, the clock should have stopped.

[Johnny Ringo]

Good point. Then should the foul have been enforced? Foul happened prior to expiration of time.

[APG]

Originally Posted by tref

Are they using PTS?

PTS isn't used for the tournament.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

Are they using PTS?

Not in the tourney. They never do.

Sure would have prevented whatever is being discussed here. I haven't seen it yet.