Uconn vs Syracuse

[ref83]

End of regulation, 1.4 seconds remain. Syracuse inbounding on uconn endline.
Thabett covering throw-in, he runs over Syracuse screen. No call!! Can you believe it? A short time before this Thabett lowers shoulder and knocks over Syracuse defender. No call! What about the time-out Thabett called? He got posession on his belly, rolls over on his back and calls time-out.. Is this not a travel? What about the Syracuse break away and Syracuse player trailing knocks Uconn defender off his feet. Again no call!!!!! Any coments???

[BktBallRef]

Didn't think the contact on the foul was a throw-in.

Didn't see the timeout rollover play.

Thought there should have been a foul on the moving screen on the breakaway.

Shooting FTs?

[NewNCref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Thought there should have been a foul on the moving screen on the breakaway.

Just curious as to why? Did you think the contact was from behind?

[ref83]

No, I think it was a good no call. But Thabett mowed over and through the Syracuse screener at the end of regulation..

[NewNCref]

Originally Posted by ref83

No, I think it was a good no call. But Thabett mowed over and through the Syracuse screener at the end of regulation..

Two big time DQ-ing fouls in the 4th OT, but both easy/good calls I thought. One PC and another during rebounding action, but like I said, both pretty obvious.

Either way, this is one heck of a game, though Jamie Luckie must be a terrible official like everyone says. What kind of official would let a game go 4 OTs?!?!?!

[budjones05]

All I know is so far, we have 4 OT's. I guess Padgett isn't working this one

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by NewNCref

Two big time DQ-ing fouls in the 4th OT, but both easy/good calls I thought. One PC and another during rebounding action, but like I said, both pretty obvious.

Either way, this is one heck of a game, though Jamie Luckie must be a terrible official like everyone says. What kind of official would let a game go 4 OTs?!?!?!

I don't believe that he was one of the officials.

Officials: John Cahill ,James Breeding ,Bob Donato

[NewNCref]

Today is Friday the 13th, and Sunday is the Ides of March, is this like a fanboy full moon? Does it cause normal people to turn into fanboys?

As for my comments:

Originally Posted by ref83

Thabett covering throw-in, he runs over Syracuse screen. No call!! Can you believe it?

Didn't see it, but just because the defender is knocked down while setting a screen DOES NOT make it a foul. If he played through the defender, then maybe. But just because the screener fell (possibly hard) does not make it a foul

Originally Posted by ref83

A short time before this Thabett lowers shoulder and knocks over Syracuse defender. No call!

Lowering of the shoulder is nowhere illegal. Check the book.

Originally Posted by ref83

What about the time-out Thabett called? He got posession on his belly, rolls over on his back and calls time-out.. Is this not a travel?

The time-out, I think was not called by Thabeet,but rather by his teammates, and therefore he was granted the timeout before he rolled over. Maybe not, but it's what it looked like to me.

Originally Posted by ref83

What about the Syracuse break away and Syracuse player trailing knocks Uconn defender off his feet. Again no call!!!!!

No way this was a foul. The contact was not from behind, it was from the side while both were executing legal moving screens.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by NewNCref

No way this was a foul. The contact was not from behind, it was from the side while both were executing legal moving screens.

That is not what happened.

The UConn defender was chasing, he was not setting a screen.

The Syracuse teammate was running beside the defender and turned left into him. I would compare it to walking beside a swimming pool with a friend and deciding to knock him in.

Originally Posted by NewNCref

Either way, this is one heck of a game, though Jamie Luckie must be a terrible official like everyone says. What kind of official would let a game go 4 OTs?!?!?!

Jamie Luckie was not working the game. He's working the ACC Tournament.

[Larks]

Highlights...

YouTube - SYRACUSE VS CONNECTICUT UNBELIEVEABLE GAME!!!!!!! 6 OVERTIMES! [March 12, 2009]

[Adam]

All I watched on ESPN this morning were highlights of that game.

[T42]

In 35 years officiating, when there was a question about a shot at the end of a game or overtime, we were always instructed to ask the timer "Where was the ball when the horn went off?" not "where was the ball when the clock went to 0:00?" I'm sure many official has had the clock go to 0:00 and the horn not sound. Wonder why this subject didn't come up at the end of regulation?
Any comment will be appreciated.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by T42

In 35 years officiating, when there was a question about a shot at the end of a game or overtime, we were always instructed to ask the timer "Where was the ball when the horn went off?" not "where was the ball when the clock went to 0:00?" I'm sure many official has had the clock go to 0:00 and the horn not sound. Wonder why this subject didn't come up at the end of regulation?
Any comment will be appreciated.

Because they have monitors and the on-court officials aren't going to leave this in the hands of a timer. Nor would I. Ever. At any level.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by T42

In 35 years officiating, when there was a question about a shot at the end of a game or overtime, we were always instructed to ask the timer "Where was the ball when the horn went off?" not "where was the ball when the clock went to 0:00?" I'm sure many official has had the clock go to 0:00 and the horn not sound. Wonder why this subject didn't come up at the end of regulation?
Any comment will be appreciated.

Those days are over, especially at the college level.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by T42

In 35 years officiating, when there was a question about a shot at the end of a game or overtime, we were always instructed to ask the timer "Where was the ball when the horn went off?" not "where was the ball when the clock went to 0:00?" I'm sure many official has had the clock go to 0:00 and the horn not sound. Wonder why this subject didn't come up at the end of regulation?
Any comment will be appreciated.

I appreciate all of your years of experience, but I'm guessing that most of those were at the HS level and any collegiate experience that you have was prior to the use of the video monitor. Basically, your question can be answered by taking a quick look at the latest NCAA ruling. It was handed down following a game a couple of years ago in which the clock and the LED lights were not synchronized.

Currently at the NCAA level the zeros ON THE GAME CLOCK has the highest priority. The LED lights are 2nd, and the horn sounding is 3rd.

Rule 2, Section 13, Article 4.
In games with a 10th-of-a-second game clock display and where an
official courtside monitor is used, the reading of zeros on the game clock
is to be used to determine whether a try for goal, a shot-clock violation or
a foul occurred before or after the expiration of time in any period. When
the game clock is not visible, the officials shall verify the original call with
the use of the red/LED light(s). When the red/LED light(s) are not visible,
the sounding of the game-clock horn shall be utilized. When definitive
information is unattainable with the use of the monitor, the original call
stands.

This is not the case with the shot clock. For the shot clock the horn is controlling and the showing of zero does NOT indicate a violation.

Rule 2, Section 11, Article 9.
Sound the shot-clock horn at the expiration of the shot-clock period.
This shot-clock horn shall not stop play unless recognized by an official’s
whistle. When the shot clock indicates zeros but the shot-clock horn has not sounded, the shot-clock time has not expired.
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At the HS level under NFHS rules the SOUNDING OF THE HORN has the highest priority, even if there are supplementary lights per 2-12-7, 5-6-2, and 1-14.

2-12-7: "...Indicate by signal the expiration of playing time in each quarter or
extra period. If a supplementary red light is used, the timer’s signal is the official
expiration of playing time."