I have a few questions for the NCAA refs

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by rwest

I don't call at the NCAA level so I don't know what is taught at that level.

1. I've noticed that on screens there seems to be a consensus among the officials to allow for the screener to move his hips into the player being screened. At least in the recent games I've seen.

2. I've seen some officials use a mechanic that I dislike and that I tell younger officials to avoid developing the habit. On a block shot they clamp their hands together similar to the gator chomp but obviously not as dramatic. I have always seen this done by the lead. I tell younger officials to avoid this because if the lead believes there is no foul but the trail sees contact and decides to call it, it doesn't look good having two officials with two different calls. Of course, this is when the T should be calling fouls in the leads primary, for example on rebounding action or a drive to the basket from their primary. Am I wrong to dislike this mechanic? Is it taught at the NCAA level?

1. it happens and your observation has some truth to it.

2. i agree its bad and should not be used. Everyone in the gym seen what happened. If a question arises from a coach a simple " it was a clean block" is sufficient.

[tref]

Originally Posted by truerookie

2. i agree its bad and should not be used. Everyone in the gym seen what happened. If a question arises from a coach a simple.

If everyone in the gym saw it, why is there still a question?

Originally Posted by truerookie

" it was a clean block" is sufficient.

During a live ball? Suppose coach is asking the old L, new T, who happens to be opposite table?

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by tref

If everyone in the gym saw it, why is there still a question?



During a live ball? Suppose coach is asking the old L, new T, who happens to be opposite table?

This particular play may still cause for questioning when there is contact after the block and the coach may want a foul.

If the old L had a look he/she may answer as long as he/she maintain positive eye contact on the player while transitioning.

new T which is the old L. Should not have a whistle unless the contact is below the shoulders.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by truerookie

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new T which is the old L. Should not have a whistle unless the contact is below the shoulders.

Really? So if the Lead sees B1 elbow contacting A1's head while B1 is blocking the shot he's supposed to ignore it?

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Really? So if the Lead sees B1 elbow contacting A1's head while B1 is blocking the shot he's supposed to ignore it?

Really!! T or C should be aggressive in ensuring they catch that level of contact.

From your question, you believe the L is justified in calling a push from behind too.

[tref]

A push from behind isnt in the same category as a shot to the dome.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by tref

A push from behind isnt in the same category as a shot to the dome.

Why not? A shot to the dome can occur from behind as well as from the front. The lead to call that too? My point is if that level of contact occurred the T or C should be aggressive in getting it instead of the lead.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Really!! T or C should be aggressive in ensuring they catch that level of contact.

From your question, you believe the L is justified in calling a push from behind too.

If he's worked to get a good angle (which is possible on many such fouls), then yes. If he's straight lined; no.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If he's worked to get a good angle (which is possible on many such fouls), then yes. If he's straight lined; no.

True, but I think C/T get first crack at it.

[SWMOzebra]

Originally Posted by tref

During a live ball? Suppose coach is asking the old L, new T, who happens to be opposite table?

Any coach worth his salt will know that rotation will bring the official to whom he wants to speak next to him very shortly and he will ask his question or make his point with that official at that time.

[onetime1]

I have worked with a partner who does the "gator chomp" mechanic about 15 times per game and I never use it once.. I think that is kind of strange.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by onetime1

I have worked with a partner who does the "gator chomp" mechanic about 15 times per game and I never use it once.. I think that is kind of strange.

Had a chance to use it last night in a ms game. Coach never asked why there wasn't a foul, though, so I didn't bother.

[Multiple Sports]

Used it a lot when I ws in hs school and I thought I was somebody.....further I moves up the ladder (DII &DIII) it has dissapeared. Why stick out and use an unauthorized mechanic, especially if you are with that guy who calls every 50/50 that you pass on. We all know who that guy is our leagues

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Used it a lot when I ws in hs school and I thought I was somebody.....further I moves up the ladder (DII &DIII) it has dissapeared. Why stick out and use an unauthorized mechanic, especially if you are with that guy who calls every 50/50 that you pass on. We all know who that guy is our leagues

Hey, it needed calling. He got slapped on the wrist on his way by. They might need those free throws later.